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  1. Austin Ruse permalink
    September 8, 2010 9:48 am

    Dear Minion,

    In France — that paragon of Catholic social teaching, the place where they don’t go to Mass, and don’t support the Church financially, where they don’t have a tradition of private charitable giving — the labor unions, those bastions of Catholic social teaching, just shut the country down. For what? Because of a proposal to raise the full retirement age from 60 to 62.

    Talk about the common good!

  2. September 8, 2010 11:05 am

    Austin, the position that unions must occupy an essential role in the social order does not mean that everything every union supports in every time and place is necessarily good.

  3. Austin Ruse permalink
    September 8, 2010 11:58 am

    understood…the point i am making is that Europe, which you usually hold up as a beacon of Catholic social teaching, seems to be almost totally divorced from Catholic social teaching. I wonder if Protestant America is closer to the ideal than is Europe, where 1) they do not go to Church, 2) do not financially support the Church, 3) do not give to charitable causes, and 4) seem to be downright selfish about their guvmint benefits.

  4. digbydolben permalink
    September 8, 2010 3:49 pm

    Austin, half of Europe is Protestant, and the Protestant parts are just as secularist–if not more so–than the Catholic parts.

    And Francophobia is one of the nastiest American prejudices–reflective, of course, of ignorance, because, without France, there never would have been any United States of America.

  5. Austin Ruse permalink
    September 8, 2010 8:40 pm

    Minion seems to have a prejudice against Protestant America in favor of Catholic Europe. I am making the point that in Protestant America the Catholics go to Mass more, give more financially to support their Churches, and also have a deep tradition of personal charitable giving, that is to say, more personal involvement in Catholic social teaching. I also suggest that Catholics in Catholic Europe do not go to Mass, do not support their Church financially, and do not support private charity. So, which is more in line with Catholic social teaching? Protestant America? Or Catholic Europe?

    I love France. I love the French. I do a lot of work there. Don’t misread what i am saying as a prejudice aginst France.

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