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  1. ron chandonia permalink
    March 1, 2010 9:03 am

    I wish you had been clearer here about the position of those with whom you disagree. I gather this is about the critics of CCHD, and it strikes me that they are not attacking the concept of caring for the poor but rather what Pope Benedict calls the “political path” of charity: the idea that we should alleviate poverty by addressing its underlying or structural causes. That’s why they say they would prefer that CCHD funds be used in ministries of direct service to the poor rather than for community organizing and empowerment programs.

    • March 1, 2010 9:11 am

      Ron

      I am critical of those who deny the social role of the Church and say social justice is in error. One can question methods of how to get to such justice, sure; but we must begin with an affirmation that the Church is indeed to promote social justice. If we give up on this, we give up on Christ — for Christ tells us constantly where our work is to be. When people say “the Church is not the United Way” and complain about all the emphasis on works of mercy instead of “saving souls,” as if the two are separate, then something is wrong. In this way, this post is beyond the issue of the CCHD but to basics which we need to agree on before we can discuss the CCHD. Indeed, is it not also political agendas behind many of those who are being critical of the CCHD? And the whole idea of community organizing and empowerment — read St Basil and his work. He was for communal work – as his quotes point out, social sin is real and requires the community to work to overcome it. Individualism ignores this at its own peril. The fact that people deny the very point of the CCHD itself says much. If they can show an understanding and appreciation of what good is done, then it would help explain that they really care about that good and are not just coming in with a political agenda using mistakes of the CCHD as an excuse to push people for their own agenda — one which appears to be united with GOP objectives, not Catholic Social Doctrine.

      Nonetheless, while the CCHD discussions have caused people to question the social doctrine of the Church, I was not reflecting upon the CCHD discussions themselves, but the idea of social justice, which is being mocked and ridiculed alongside the CCHD. That to me is why something like this needs to be posted. To move beyond the CCHD and into the real question at hand.. which is Catholic Social Doctrine.

  2. March 1, 2010 9:24 am

    Great post, Henry. Yet again, most that goes awry in American Catholicism can be traced to the Protestant influence.

    On CCHD, this only became an issue after the right decided that “community organizing” was something to be opposed, simply because Obama had done it. It’s sad that there are Catholic sheep in this movement, who bring this fight into the Church. Before this, the emphasis on empowerment was often praised on the right, as it fostered subsidiarity and avoided a dependency culture. But of course, times have changed, and marching orders must be obeyed…

    • March 1, 2010 9:42 am

      MM

      Thanks! I thought the post was needed — though I thought about saving the St Basil quotes on the famine for a post on climate change and the saints ;)

  3. March 1, 2010 11:03 am

    I actually think , and I aware of some United Way Problems, that many “conservative Catholics” would find if the CCHD was more like the United Way there would be less of a problem and in fact might be more effective. At least with the United Ways there is a real dialouge hwere this money is going.

    As to empowerment and community organzing that is again a tricky problem. Where are the lines.

    After the CCHD/ ACORN revelations of last year we seemed to learn that
    Most Local Catholic Bishops have little idea what is going on as to this.

    and
    There was an appearance of a lot of INSIDE baseball both based on relationships and poltical ideals of where a nice bit of this money was spent.

    Those problems I think had to some degree of legitimacy.

    There is no doubt by some a GOP agenda. But it did not go beyond notice that much of these “empowerment” and human empowerment conisted of voting drives that seemed to to quite aligned with crucial democrat elections.

    Let us suppose that the CCHD gave a susbtantial amount of money for empowerment and community organizing to the American Principles Project headed by Robert George and run I guess day to day by Ralph Peters. I cannot not imagine the howls. But why? In the matter of Catholic Social Justice their work on abortion and on immigration reform they would be doing a service. However underlying that would be a “conservative” viewpoint I suppose. Perhaps this would be healthy. A little competition of ideas which I think might be good. However we can see the underlying political mind field.

    So I guess the issue here is how you empower the people and what is viewed as empowerment is the issue here. Which I admit is a thorny mess.

    I certaintly agree that Catholic Social Justice should not be mocked. However part of the problem is a PR problem of its own making. It does seem like a very clannish operation at times.

    Speaking of Morning Minions comments on Protestants Well I guess that is correct. Social Justice does not operate all by itself. Indeed some of the mistakes of the Mainline Protestant faith communities that have taken Social Justice by the horns is also aprt of the mix and mixed in together with us.

  4. Kurt permalink
    March 1, 2010 11:04 am

    I am not sure it is true that conservative Catholics are increasingly questioning the social doctrine of the Church. I think conservative Catholics are just increasingly insisting that Catholics support conservativism an djust pull out whatever arguements seem to support the action of the moment they support or oppose.

    Back in the day, conservative Catholics were quick to criticize priests enaged in social action. Their job was (as one told me) “to say Mass and hear confessions, not to get mixed up in politics.” The “politics” of this time was often marches or rallies for fair housing or peace in VietNam, not even any particular piece of legislation. Now conservative Catholics are quick to tell you exactly how to vote if you are to dare show up for communion next Sunday. Of course, every part of CST that is “liberal” is negotible and prudential judgment.

    Increasingly, (see the bishop of Green Bay) it is wrong for Catholics to support even very precise social initiatives supported by the Church because success would be a victory for “liberals” and victory for liberal is support for abortion.

    And “politics” has been expanded from voting and legislation to any action that empowers the poor so they are not dependent on charity — like CCHD does.

    You see, if the poor are dependent on charity, then the wealthy benefactors of charity can withdraw it at anytime the poor get out of line.

  5. R.C. permalink
    March 1, 2010 1:21 pm

    I think you caricature, however unintentionally, those with whom you disagree.

    You state, “A common tactic is to say the Church should not be like the United Way; it should be looking for the salvation of souls.” Common? I think it is not common, among serious Christians (Catholic or otherwise) of a conservative bent, to take this either/or stance which opposes caring for the poor (which is, I presume, the main implication of being “like the United Way” in this context) against the salvation of souls.

    Indeed, I have never encountered it at all, and my experience of this group happens to be pretty broad. I am willing to say that it exists only because, in such a diverse world, it must exist somewhere. But it is not common.

    I suspect this misunderstanding of the viewpoint of right-leaning Catholics may have come from misunderstanding a division existing in Protestant mainline denominations: The divide between “theologically liberal” congregations and “evangelical” congregations.

    In the worst of the former, the leadership aren’t sure that God exists or that Jesus is His son, but they cling to the view that “It’s good to be nice to people”: So they perform gay marriages and ordain women and agitate for broad federal entitlements for the poor: “Nice” positions.

    Their evangelical brethren (whether fundamentalist or conservative or neo-orthodox) counter that if Jesus was not raised, all our hopes are vain (St. Paul) and that theological orthodoxy is vital. They complain their “theologically liberal” brethren are merely heretics who, having lost the faith, found themselves without a reason to go to church (or anything to talk about when they got there), and who imported this left-leaning political platform as a surrogate.

    Thus they might complain, “Christian churches must save souls. We’re not merely the United Way in clerical garb!”

    Even there, however, we must note the use of the word merely. The Evangelicals don’t say that one shouldn’t care for the poor. They say that one should believe the gospel, and that the love and grace of Jesus Christ who really, historically rose from the dead should be the driving reason for all one’s charity. The theology comes first, and the charity follows immediately thereafter, but as with love and marriage, “you can’t [shouldn't] have one without the other.”

    That’s the Protestant world, where they lack a living authority. In the Catholic world, I think the dividing lines are not so distinct because there are Catholics who are orthodox believers, while holding the political views held by the “theologically liberal” Protestants. They hold those views not as a substitute for the gospel, but because they see them as compatible with, even a logical consequence of, the gospel. I suspect most of the commenters at this blog fall in that category. (Score one for the benefits of a living authority in the church!)

    But my purpose here is to debunk this view that those on the right, who disagree with your political views about entitlements and the like, are greedy heartless bastards who want only to save souls but never to feed bodies. You haven’t stated this in so many words, but it’s a common enough libel and I fear you came pretty close.

    View From The Right

    The Catholic or Christian whose political leanings are conservative or libertarian or “classical liberal” takes the view that:

    1. Persons, by virtue of their divinely-granted human dignity, have many rights, responsibilities, and powers. (By the word “powers” I mean not only ability to act in certain ways, but the just authority to act in those ways.)

    2. Persons may exercise their powers themselves, and in some cases they may delegate some of their powers to employees.

    For example, I have a power (a just authority) to defend myself and other innocent persons against violent attack, by armed force if necessary. I could go around armed all the time fighting crime, but it isn’t practical: I lack the training and the time, and anyway huge problems will erupt if everyone takes all the responsibility for safeguarding their rights and the rights of everyone around them without any organization.

    So we delegate most (not all) of this power to a particular set of employees called “government.” It is like hiring private bodyguards, except that as a society we all “go in together.” In the American political tradition, “government obtains its just powers from the consent of the governed.” Just so: We delegated that power to the government, our employees; they exercise it through the police power of the state. And we did not delegate all of it, retaining none for ourselves: For we still have just authority to defend ourselves or others “in the gravest extreme,” when the defense must occur now and the police are ten minutes away.

    As an aside, this delegation and organization of the just use of force is exactly what makes government “government.” It is the only unique thing about government as an organization: That it may use force to achieve its ends.

    In fact, no matter what government does, it uses force to do it, merely because it has that power. A man may stand before you trying to persuade you of some opinion in a winsome way through many eloquent arguments…but if he is pointing a gun at you the whole time, we know perfectly well that his chief power of influence does not come from his friendly demeanor or his rhetorical skill!

    Thus we should always be conscious not to permit government to act more than it ought: Any use of force requires a high bar of justification before we may call it “morally justified”; anything government does involves force or the threat thereof; therefore, a strict standard of justification must be met for government activity to be morally warranted.

    That is an aside, though it is applicable to this argument. But here in Point #2 I am mostly giving government as an example of Persons justly delegating their powers.

    3. While Persons may morally delegate some powers, other powers may not be delegated, or may only be delegated to a limited degree. In particular, the powers which are most related to generosity and love between persons are properly not as freely open to delegation as are items of mere administration, setting of public standards, or the use of force for the securing of rights.

    In the previous example, we illustrated the principle that one can justly delegate certain powers; here I must show that one cannot properly delegate others.

    The easy example is the duty to love my wife: Is this something I can delegate? “Here honey, I hired this fellow to take you to the movies.” Clearly this is non-delegatable stuff! And we think rather less of the businessman who, because he hasn’t the time, sends his secretary to shop for birthday gifts for his children. Love, properly, is not delegated.

    To a lesser degree, I think we would also frown a bit at a man who says, “I think I’ll help the poor today,” and calls in three of his bodyguards and instructs them: “Go out and help the poor in some way today. I don’t want to know exactly who or exactly how; I’ve no time for that. And I don’t want to be bothered by any poor folk standing in my office wanting my attention. Just get it done so I don’t have to think about it.”

    And I think we’d all be opposed if that man’s bodyguards said, “Sure thing, Boss, but we think we’ll need about $3,000 to help the poor today” and the man answered, “Well, I myself have $1,000 — here you go — and I suspect my next-door neighbors on either side can make up the difference, so go hold them at gunpoint until they fork over the remaining two grand, and then, once you have it, go do your poor-helping stuff.”

    Now the Catholic whose politics lean conservative or libertarian holds that it is in these areas (plus in other areas such as constitutionality and subsidiarity) that (politically) left-leaning Catholics persistently make errors. They say:

    1. The duty of almsgiving is a manner of showing love for my fellow man;

    2. Such duties are less delegatable than the other just powers of persons;

    3. I am therefore personally responsible for caring for my fellow man.

    4. I may not properly delegate the duty of loving my fellow man to my hirelings, which includes the government, or, if I am morally permitted to delegate some part of that duty, it must be the lesser part;

    5. If any part of almsgiving is delegatable, it must not be the major part, and the gift should remain close to the giver, not many steps removed. Therefore, in accord with the principle of subsidiarity, most government-organized care-for-the-poor should be at the local level, a lesser amount at the county level, a still lesser amount at the state level, and least of all (or possibly none at all) at the federal level.

    6. Furthermore, things should be done lawfully and honestly. In the United States’ highest law, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” (Amendment X). As almsgiving is nowhere delegated to the federal government in the Constitution, this power is not justly wielded by the United States federal government. They are our employees: They have specific duties spelled out in their employment contract; but this duty is not among them. Maybe it should have been included, but it wasn’t.

    So your right-leaning Christians do not say, “Our job is to save souls, not to help the poor.”

    They say, “Our job is to do both, and neither duty is subject to much delegation. We can’t leave all the soul-winning to priests and apologists; we have to know our faith and share it. Likewise we can’t properly enlist the government to do all our almsgiving for us, let alone compel others to do it. We must instead give voluntarily out of our own pockets and our own time. And that is what we do. To a lesser degree we can organize into local charitable organizations. To a still lesser degree, into nation-wide or world-wide organizations.

    “But we see very little moral warrant to go sending our gun-toting government employees around, compelling others to “give,” in the ways and amounts we choose, to whatever causes we like best.

    “It frankly sounds a bit fascist to us — to use that term in the loose and ahistorical way it’s usually thrown around these days, vaguely indicating a sort of boastful and pushy predisposition to unwarranted force.”

    Persuasion Rather Than Slander

    I have stated all of the above, often using quotation marks to put words in the mouth of a stereotypical right-leaning Catholic, to demonstrate the following:

    1. Right-leaning Catholics do not oppose charitable works, nor do they see an antithesis between soul-saving and caring for the poor.

    2. Right-leaning Catholics have a variety of principled objections to using government force, especially when it is centralized in the federal government, to care for the poor.

    On the basis of these principles, they reject many programs which are popular on the left side of the aisle as immoral uses of force and/or immoral delegations of our duty to love our fellow man.

    If one prefers to slander rather than persuade, one can say, “Ah, that’s just an excuse. They’re greedy SOBs who don’t want to help the poor.” But this is false, and only provokes ire at the unjust accusation; it does not persuade. To persuade a right-leaning Catholic, one must argue that their principles are incorrect…or, better yet, that their principles are correct, but that other principles are also at work, which they have neglected.

    My Own View

    My own view on these matters is that there is a role for local and state governments, and even (to a lesser degree) the federal government, in caring for the poor, but not in almsgiving.

    I think those on the right sometimes confuse almsgiving with giving the poor man his due, which is already justly his in view of the universal destination of goods. Almsgiving should exist on top of some basic layer of care for the poor, which falls not under the banner of “giving” but of “justice.”

    Thus I think, for example, that public defenders should be better so that the poor man’s day in court gives him as good a defense as the rich man’s. And of course I agree with the policy in the U.S. which makes it illegal to turn away a person from necessary medical treatment merely because he cannot pay.

    However, in the end, the policies I would see enacted at the federal, state, and local levels are not very different from those of the broader Catholic and Christian “right.”

    I believe that equal protection under law is the correct goal, not equality of outcomes. Equality of starting points, which is mid-way between these two, is partly morally defensible, but partly not, when implemented through compulsion. Thus my inclination is to lean more on neighborhoods, towns, and counties to organize social justice at this level.

    And of course I agree with the right that our primary exercise of love for our fellow-man is (or, ought to be) through voluntary organizations and voluntary individual giving.

    And I think the existence of entitlement programs on such huge scales at the federal level is perpetuated because it’s a reliable vote-buyer, and as such is hugely corruptive, in addition to its questionable Constitutionality, efficacy, moral hazard, et cetera.

    And finally, lest anyone caricature the whole Constitutional argument: No, of course I wouldn’t abruptly abolish all the federal entitlements. While I think there are superior and more moral ways to organize a just society, I am conservative, in the Burke v. French Revolution kind of way, about giving societies time to adapt to change, even when they’re changes for the better.

    But my post was not primarily about my view. I stand mostly on the right, but in some ways I might be an outlier, and “my view” would not necessarily disprove the popular caricatures of the right.

    My main point was to help folks understand that the average right-leaning Christians, Catholic and otherwise, are not Scrooge-like or Gordon Gecko-like caricatures, but are rather persons who think it’s immoral to go breaking all the rules in order to help the poor when there are better ways to help them which don’t break the rules.

    Are they wrong about what the rules are? Maybe. Maybe the moral law actually permits, or even obligates, all the federal entitlements, and then some. In that case the right-leaning Catholics (and I) have misinterpreted the Moral Law.

    But if so, the failure is one of misinterpretation, not of a lack of generosity, or a tendency to treat soul-winning and charity as opposites.

  6. Kurt permalink
    March 1, 2010 1:55 pm

    RC –

    That is a very thoughtful post and I am better off having read it. I would diagree with small parts and offer that conservatives really don’t follow other parts, but it is something worth reflecting on.

    The most important point is that we can’t contract out to others almsgiving — be it to the government, Catholic Charities or the United Way.

  7. R.C. permalink
    March 1, 2010 3:21 pm

    Kurt:

    Thank you, that’s a very gracious response, and I do appreciate it.

    You’ve made me curious about which parts “conservatives really don’t follow” in your view.

    But whatever you had in mind, a critical distinction would arise: Is this item, which is inconsistent with the conservative mind as R.C. described it, something common and championed in conservative circles? Or is it a less common topic…perhaps something or hotly disputed among conservatives, or something they pass over in silence as embarrassing or irrelevant?

    If the former, then that suggests my description of the conservative mind was incomplete.

    But if it is the latter, it may be something better explained as part of the variability always found in a group as big as “conservatives.”

    Anyhow, thanks for your reply.

  8. David Raber permalink
    March 1, 2010 6:09 pm

    Yes, Henry, a great post and more than a post (it’s a pretty substantial sermon, actually!), and not just because it is well-written and well-documented, but mainly because it begins with the Gospel and the seminal thinkers/leaders of the Church, and goes from there to address questions about social justice. So many conservatives begin with their conservatism, which is dear to them, and then mighily try to reconcile it with their religion, which they also value; and the same thing may very well go for some liberals (perhaps some exponents of “liberation theology” as well).

    It goes without saying, as Christians we owe our first allegiance to Jesus Christ, and not to any political party or any side in a culture war between traditional and non-traditional values.

    I was glad to see you brought up the point about the Church’s role in its first centuries as a pioneering social-welfare organization. If the Church today was more like the early Church, then we would not have to look to “big gubmint” as the main provider of social safety nets. If that was the case, you would not hear this “liberal” complain about it one bit, even while I recognize, along with the Magisterium, that government is a perfectly legitimate vehicle for expressing love of one’s neighbor.

    • March 1, 2010 6:15 pm

      David,

      I’m glad you liked it as well!

      And I very much agree with what you said — I really do wish the Church could somehow recapture the social justice of the early centuries. Not only would we not have to worry about issues like “big government,” but the world would once again see us as people of faith, living out the faith, and wonder — should they follow us? Do we have something they are missing? Of course we do, but right now, it doesn’t seem like it, because we fail to live it out. I know I fail!

      And your last comment about government is also spot on. I wish people understood this.

  9. David Nickol permalink
    March 1, 2010 7:54 pm

    R.C.,

    How do you feel about food stamps?

  10. March 1, 2010 10:28 pm

    What’s the difference between social justice and justice? Social justice isn’t really justice!

  11. Kurt permalink
    March 2, 2010 10:08 am

    R.C,

    Always searching for common ground, I think there maybe more between us than expected. I think you might be surprised that among us of the classic Left, there is less support for government charity than you think. In many ways it has been the centerists — Susan Collins, Evan Bayh, Blannce Lincoln, Olympia Snowe, to name some from the current Senate — who have been the forces for public charity.

    The classic left has always been more interested in justice than charity, for example safe workplaces, workers’ compensation and Disability Insurance rather than hand-outs for the disabled.

    I think the classic Left accepts that people will make bad decisions at times and should not always be insulated from those bad decisions. I think the most notable exception is that we do like like to see it extended to people who make a bad choice as to their parents. That is why we support public education, school lunches, SCHIP, etc.

    The classic Left has a certain suspicion of charity –public or private. It is used to keep a surplus labor army as a check on the employed. It can be given or withdrawn as fits the needs of the benefactor.

  12. Kyle R. Cupp permalink
    March 2, 2010 1:09 pm

    What do you mean, Zach?

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