But hey it is what it is – just one should not be too surprised that the same folks that today already are rather selectively ‘pro life’ will have not much problems in a couple of decades ( a time when white majority comes to an end around here) – to sheepishly allow for racially and social status related termination of pregnancy’s.

But LOL at that point in time Blackadder will ask did they really mandate it?

The point I wish pro-life people would have hammered home (instead of the babykiller stuff) was that what this implies is that support for Roe v. Wade is an extreme position, since, according to President Obama, supporting it requires opposing things like the Born Alive Act.

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Comic Book Guy: Worst. Episode. Ever.

HK and other VN commenters: Actually, if you look at the record, there was one episode in Season 2 that was all static. That you still consider this episode the worst ever is telling about your commitments. And, actually, while this episode had plenty worthy of criticism, the idea that it was extremely bad is risible. Yes, the racist joke was offensive, but comedy writers need to be free to push the envelope from time to time. And those who object to the storyline about the crooked Pope all fail to notice that the show never actually showed the Holy Father engaging in any actual wrongdoing.

Me: Whatever. It’s bad enough.

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There are many lies circulating in our politics these days. There were lots of them about the Stupak amendment that were never confronted here. But that Obama is the most pro-abortion president ever, when there was another president who served before I was born who expressed worst positions, and suddenly we’re gravely committed to absolute truth.

And BTW, was President Obama’s statement to Planned Parenthood a lie? If so, I haven’t seen it condemned here. And if not, then he should be pressured to retract it.

The more passive term “pro-choice” would seem to confer a lesser degree of culpability (the woman can decide for herself) as opposed to the more proactive–and insulting–”pro-abortion” which implies that one would encourage pregnant women to head for the nearest abortion mill.

Of course I would be the last person in the world to suggest this flexible terminology has anything to do with party affiliation. Just a coincidence I couldn’t help noticing.

So. . . Obama is “enthusiastic” about abortion per se? Meaning he likes abortion as an end in itself?

Whereas Nixon, who only saw abortion as a tool to prevent the birth of undesirables. . . and so Nixon was more “pro-life” than Obama?

Am I undersatnding this correctly?

You are correct. Obama felt that the bill would undermine Roe while its stated purpose was already law in Illinois. He was probably factually correct here. So we have shown Obama supports Roe, like millions of other Americans and people of good will.

Pinky, are you claiming that Obama insists that a certain number of abortions be performed each year?

What does it mean to say “Obama considers abortion to be essential to the social agenda”?

Both are terribly wrong, of course.

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My understanding is that President Obama’s reason for stopping the Born Alive act is that he was concerned it would undermine Roe v. Wade. Is that a good reason?

And Nixon never signed legislation turning his apparent enthusiasm for race-based abortion into policy. Does he get a pass?

Where does Obama say abortion is essential to the social agenda? For Nixon, it is clear he thought it was — hence it’s being a necessity.

If you look at Obama’s record, you’ll see he considers abortion as essential to the social agenda, and he’s always been focused on social policy (unlike Nixon, whose passion was foreign policy).

This discussion isn’t about truth. It’s about interpreting facts to reach a subjective conclusion. “The most pro-abortion president ever” is not a univocal concept.