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		<title>By: Matt Talbot</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/02/08/a-couple-thoughts-on-the-war-on-terror/#comment-71598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Talbot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Hitler was in many ways a criminal too. However we did not give the job of getting rid of him to J Edgar Hoover.&lt;/em&gt;

In what possible sense are Hitler&#039;s Germany and Osama Bin Laden&#039;s bunch of criminals in any way comparable?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Hitler was in many ways a criminal too. However we did not give the job of getting rid of him to J Edgar Hoover.</em></p>
<p>In what possible sense are Hitler&#8217;s Germany and Osama Bin Laden&#8217;s bunch of criminals in any way comparable?</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle R. Cupp</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/02/08/a-couple-thoughts-on-the-war-on-terror/#comment-71596</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle R. Cupp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;… you show yourself to be the appropriately craven subject of a totalitarian system.&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t ask for much, digbydolben, just an all powerful mega-state run by my tribe that will keep me safe from all evil and give me the proper thoughts and narratives so that I can go to sleep each night comforted that my endless state of fear has a legitimate basis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>… you show yourself to be the appropriately craven subject of a totalitarian system.</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t ask for much, digbydolben, just an all powerful mega-state run by my tribe that will keep me safe from all evil and give me the proper thoughts and narratives so that I can go to sleep each night comforted that my endless state of fear has a legitimate basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Talbot</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/02/08/a-couple-thoughts-on-the-war-on-terror/#comment-71592</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Talbot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;This is not the Bush War on Terror and it’s even not the now Obama war on terror. It is the United States War on Terror. I see few elected Democrats that asking that the Drone attacks in Pakistan stop or that American Special forces and other operations stop.

I never get this International Policing and treat this as some legal thing. How are the FBI and Interpol going to to go into Somalia and Pakistan and Afghanistan and other places and slap the cuffs on these guys.&lt;/em&gt;

In situations where the assistance of the military is needed (such as Somalia, Afghanistan, and so on) then they assist law enforcement with bringing criminals to justice - but it needs to be law enforcement in the lead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is not the Bush War on Terror and it’s even not the now Obama war on terror. It is the United States War on Terror. I see few elected Democrats that asking that the Drone attacks in Pakistan stop or that American Special forces and other operations stop.</p>
<p>I never get this International Policing and treat this as some legal thing. How are the FBI and Interpol going to to go into Somalia and Pakistan and Afghanistan and other places and slap the cuffs on these guys.</em></p>
<p>In situations where the assistance of the military is needed (such as Somalia, Afghanistan, and so on) then they assist law enforcement with bringing criminals to justice &#8211; but it needs to be law enforcement in the lead.</p>
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		<title>By: digbydolben</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/02/08/a-couple-thoughts-on-the-war-on-terror/#comment-71585</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[digbydolben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Kyle R. Cupp, 9/11 probably DID &quot;change everything&quot;: it brought to bear Ben Franklin&#039;s prediction--that America would not forever be able to keep its representative democracy.

Franklin also said that folks who valued &quot;security&quot; more than &quot;their freedom&quot; &quot;deserved NEITHER.&quot;

In writing what he has written Matt Talbot shows himself to be a genuine heir to his ancestors&#039; convictions, while you show yourself to be the appropriately craven subject of a totalitarian system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Kyle R. Cupp, 9/11 probably DID &#8220;change everything&#8221;: it brought to bear Ben Franklin&#8217;s prediction&#8211;that America would not forever be able to keep its representative democracy.</p>
<p>Franklin also said that folks who valued &#8220;security&#8221; more than &#8220;their freedom&#8221; &#8220;deserved NEITHER.&#8221;</p>
<p>In writing what he has written Matt Talbot shows himself to be a genuine heir to his ancestors&#8217; convictions, while you show yourself to be the appropriately craven subject of a totalitarian system.</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/02/08/a-couple-thoughts-on-the-war-on-terror/#comment-71573</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; I think that response should be, and should be presented as, far more diverse and holistic than the response has been up to now&quot;

Well I think in many regards it has. It is not a either or here. It is amilitary and Law enforecemt action. It also involves foreign aid and also tries to engage more moderate regimes that are in Islamic in focus.

In fact besides of the Humantarian reasons one reason the Bush administrations was spending so much time as to their Africa policy was because of the recognition that instability caused by aids, hunger, and other issues caused a vacummn where there terroist could operate and assume power.

So I think this war has been fought on many fronts and not just by the military]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I think that response should be, and should be presented as, far more diverse and holistic than the response has been up to now&#8221;</p>
<p>Well I think in many regards it has. It is not a either or here. It is amilitary and Law enforecemt action. It also involves foreign aid and also tries to engage more moderate regimes that are in Islamic in focus.</p>
<p>In fact besides of the Humantarian reasons one reason the Bush administrations was spending so much time as to their Africa policy was because of the recognition that instability caused by aids, hunger, and other issues caused a vacummn where there terroist could operate and assume power.</p>
<p>So I think this war has been fought on many fronts and not just by the military</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/02/08/a-couple-thoughts-on-the-war-on-terror/#comment-71571</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Bush’s War on Terror was and is a huge mistake, and needs to be declared null and void. Responding to the attacks of September 11th as if they were an act of war, and not a criminal act, is giving Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden  precisely what they want; legitimacy as “holy warriors” when they only deserve infamy as brutal criminals. They need to be opposed with skilled international policing, not a big, stupid, endless “war.”&quot;

This is not the Buhs War on Terror and it&#039;s even not the now Obama war on terror. It is the United States War on Terror. I see few elected Democrats that asking that the Drone attacks in Pakistan stop or that American Special forces and other operations stop.

I never get this International Policing and treat this as some legal thing. How are the FBI and Interpol going to to go into Somollia and Pakistand and Afghanistan and other places and slap the cuffs on these guys.

Hitler was in many ways a criminal too. However we did not give the job of getting rid of him to J Edgar Hoover.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bush’s War on Terror was and is a huge mistake, and needs to be declared null and void. Responding to the attacks of September 11th as if they were an act of war, and not a criminal act, is giving Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden  precisely what they want; legitimacy as “holy warriors” when they only deserve infamy as brutal criminals. They need to be opposed with skilled international policing, not a big, stupid, endless “war.”&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not the Buhs War on Terror and it&#8217;s even not the now Obama war on terror. It is the United States War on Terror. I see few elected Democrats that asking that the Drone attacks in Pakistan stop or that American Special forces and other operations stop.</p>
<p>I never get this International Policing and treat this as some legal thing. How are the FBI and Interpol going to to go into Somollia and Pakistand and Afghanistan and other places and slap the cuffs on these guys.</p>
<p>Hitler was in many ways a criminal too. However we did not give the job of getting rid of him to J Edgar Hoover.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle R. Cupp</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/02/08/a-couple-thoughts-on-the-war-on-terror/#comment-71551</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle R. Cupp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You just don&#039;t get it, Matt.  9/11 changed everything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just don&#8217;t get it, Matt.  9/11 changed everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Wildermuth</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/02/08/a-couple-thoughts-on-the-war-on-terror/#comment-71543</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nate Wildermuth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hundreds of thousands of people have died of suicide in America over the last decade.  Yet we don&#039;t declare a war on suicide.  Same thing with traffic accidents.

When you trip and fall and break your nose, you don&#039;t declare war on the sidewalk and bust it up with a jackhammer.  But if someone trips you and you bruise your little toe, and he just laughs at you and makes faces and pushes you a little again . . . you go nuts.

There&#039;s something about it being &#039;personal&#039; that makes us more upset about the evil that we suffer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hundreds of thousands of people have died of suicide in America over the last decade.  Yet we don&#8217;t declare a war on suicide.  Same thing with traffic accidents.</p>
<p>When you trip and fall and break your nose, you don&#8217;t declare war on the sidewalk and bust it up with a jackhammer.  But if someone trips you and you bruise your little toe, and he just laughs at you and makes faces and pushes you a little again . . . you go nuts.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s something about it being &#8216;personal&#8217; that makes us more upset about the evil that we suffer.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris C.</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/02/08/a-couple-thoughts-on-the-war-on-terror/#comment-71541</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IMO, not a good post. Unworthy of a faithful Catholic endeavoring to contribute to the common good. Any way to make the same points in a spirit of charity, perhaps with at least some reference to Church teaching?
By the way if memory serves,the late Holy Father Pope John Paul 2 had no criticism to offer of the US military action in Afghanistan after 9/11.
God Bless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, not a good post. Unworthy of a faithful Catholic endeavoring to contribute to the common good. Any way to make the same points in a spirit of charity, perhaps with at least some reference to Church teaching?<br />
By the way if memory serves,the late Holy Father Pope John Paul 2 had no criticism to offer of the US military action in Afghanistan after 9/11.<br />
God Bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald A. Naus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/02/08/a-couple-thoughts-on-the-war-on-terror/#comment-71536</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald A. Naus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The current &quot;response&quot; by the US does the recruiting for Al Qaeda. 

I came across an interesting tidbit in a book about the Crusades by Zoe Oldenburg today. On the first crusade, Muslims desecrated crosses/crucifixes in mocking, obscene etc ways. This greatly incensed and motivated the Crusaders. A millennium later, the situation is reversed. The constant is that there are religious extremists on both sides then and now. Mormons dreaming of converting Iraq, evangelicals embracing Israel hoping Jesus will come back (imagine a president Palin)...

In a fight between the American system and radical Islam there really shouldn&#039;t be a winner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current &#8220;response&#8221; by the US does the recruiting for Al Qaeda. </p>
<p>I came across an interesting tidbit in a book about the Crusades by Zoe Oldenburg today. On the first crusade, Muslims desecrated crosses/crucifixes in mocking, obscene etc ways. This greatly incensed and motivated the Crusaders. A millennium later, the situation is reversed. The constant is that there are religious extremists on both sides then and now. Mormons dreaming of converting Iraq, evangelicals embracing Israel hoping Jesus will come back (imagine a president Palin)&#8230;</p>
<p>In a fight between the American system and radical Islam there really shouldn&#8217;t be a winner.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Talbot</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/02/08/a-couple-thoughts-on-the-war-on-terror/#comment-71527</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Talbot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris - I don&#039;t think of 9/11 as being &quot;an isolated criminal action&quot; - it was the result of a criminal conspiracy planned and implemented by dangerous, organized men, who mean to do the United States further harm if permitted to. It calls for a response - and given the scope of his reach, a big one. I think that response should be, and should be presented as, far more diverse and holistic than the response has been up to now. Giving Osama a &quot;War&quot; increases his credibility in the eyes of people whose opinion he cares about. Treating him, and more importantly &lt;em&gt;describing&lt;/em&gt; him, as a criminal will decrease his stature, and the stature of his movement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; I don&#8217;t think of 9/11 as being &#8220;an isolated criminal action&#8221; &#8211; it was the result of a criminal conspiracy planned and implemented by dangerous, organized men, who mean to do the United States further harm if permitted to. It calls for a response &#8211; and given the scope of his reach, a big one. I think that response should be, and should be presented as, far more diverse and holistic than the response has been up to now. Giving Osama a &#8220;War&#8221; increases his credibility in the eyes of people whose opinion he cares about. Treating him, and more importantly <em>describing</em> him, as a criminal will decrease his stature, and the stature of his movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Christohper</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/02/08/a-couple-thoughts-on-the-war-on-terror/#comment-71521</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christohper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On torture -- ditto (I agree). But as to simply treating 9/11 as an isolated criminal action -- and not part and parcel of a long war, I would recommend a reading of Lawrence Wright&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/productå/1400030846?iåΩΩe=UTF8&amp;tag=christopsweb&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1400030846&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On torture &#8212; ditto (I agree). But as to simply treating 9/11 as an isolated criminal action &#8212; and not part and parcel of a long war, I would recommend a reading of Lawrence Wright&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/productå/1400030846?iåΩΩe=UTF8&amp;tag=christopsweb&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1400030846" rel="nofollow">The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11</a>.</p>
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