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	<title>Comments on: American Military Murders Prisoners and Nobody Cares</title>
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		<title>By: digbydolben</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/01/20/american-military-murders-prisoners-and-nobody-cares/#comment-70098</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The writer of this posting has a warped mind when it comes to history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The writer of this posting has a warped mind when it comes to history.</p>
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		<title>By: Navy Vet</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/01/20/american-military-murders-prisoners-and-nobody-cares/#comment-69848</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Navy Vet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With all deference to Spirit of Vatican II,

&quot;Since 1950 the USA has been the chief administrator of suffering and cruelty to the human race.&quot;

You must not get out too much or read the newspaper.

I only wish that the USA had been the worst in the world for the past 60 years, because that would mean that the world was much more peaceful and just than it really was.  I am the first to admit that servicemen and women are not innocent babes in the meadow, but compared to some of the monsters that have turned up the past three score years, the world should give thanks to the US each day for it&#039;s gentle hand in dealing with foreign countries and citizens.  Most countries that have such tremendous power tend to use much more stick and much less carrot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all deference to Spirit of Vatican II,</p>
<p>&#8220;Since 1950 the USA has been the chief administrator of suffering and cruelty to the human race.&#8221;</p>
<p>You must not get out too much or read the newspaper.</p>
<p>I only wish that the USA had been the worst in the world for the past 60 years, because that would mean that the world was much more peaceful and just than it really was.  I am the first to admit that servicemen and women are not innocent babes in the meadow, but compared to some of the monsters that have turned up the past three score years, the world should give thanks to the US each day for it&#8217;s gentle hand in dealing with foreign countries and citizens.  Most countries that have such tremendous power tend to use much more stick and much less carrot.</p>
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		<title>By: Spirit of Vatican II</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/01/20/american-military-murders-prisoners-and-nobody-cares/#comment-69835</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spirit of Vatican II]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Murder and torture have been American specialties for a long time. Since 1950 the USA has been the chief administrator of suffering and cruelty to the human race.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murder and torture have been American specialties for a long time. Since 1950 the USA has been the chief administrator of suffering and cruelty to the human race.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/01/20/american-military-murders-prisoners-and-nobody-cares/#comment-69820</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phillip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe the Obama Justice Dept. has reviewed investigations of this and found there was no reason to substantiate these claims.  Any reason this administration is covering for the previous administration?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the Obama Justice Dept. has reviewed investigations of this and found there was no reason to substantiate these claims.  Any reason this administration is covering for the previous administration?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul DuBois</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul DuBois]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Though the individual soldiers are surely responsible for their actions and the President (both of them) are surely responsible for approving the kind of torture that leads to this type of action, we can not let go of our responsibility.  Over the long course of the debate over the Iraq war and the torture that followed and was included in it (there was never any real debate over the Afghanistan war).  The one thing most people forget is that the people of our country overwhelmingly supported this war.  So did the Democrats in congress.  Carl Levin from Michigan is one notable exception.

This type of action is a predictable outcome of war.  It has happened in all wars and by all sides in all wars.  This is why war is to be avoided at all cost.  We did choose the Iraq war.  Even if we felt Saddam was a real threat to the US, there were still other options left.  Senator Levin (no pacifist himself) made just this point in is opposition to the war.

Maybe no one cares, because, just maybe, everyone feels a little guilty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though the individual soldiers are surely responsible for their actions and the President (both of them) are surely responsible for approving the kind of torture that leads to this type of action, we can not let go of our responsibility.  Over the long course of the debate over the Iraq war and the torture that followed and was included in it (there was never any real debate over the Afghanistan war).  The one thing most people forget is that the people of our country overwhelmingly supported this war.  So did the Democrats in congress.  Carl Levin from Michigan is one notable exception.</p>
<p>This type of action is a predictable outcome of war.  It has happened in all wars and by all sides in all wars.  This is why war is to be avoided at all cost.  We did choose the Iraq war.  Even if we felt Saddam was a real threat to the US, there were still other options left.  Senator Levin (no pacifist himself) made just this point in is opposition to the war.</p>
<p>Maybe no one cares, because, just maybe, everyone feels a little guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard C.</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/01/20/american-military-murders-prisoners-and-nobody-cares/#comment-69811</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bernard C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you guys are splitting hairs.  The real issue for Vox Nova is &quot;why doesn&#039;t anyone seem to care.&quot;  I do not think the MSM is lax, but I do think they go where they think the story is and they think that this is a non-starter.  No one cares and printing it makes people uncomfortable.  

The subsidized healthcare vs. suicide angle is a good point to make.  Why are we more threatened by something like that than we are the undermining of certain principles?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you guys are splitting hairs.  The real issue for Vox Nova is &#8220;why doesn&#8217;t anyone seem to care.&#8221;  I do not think the MSM is lax, but I do think they go where they think the story is and they think that this is a non-starter.  No one cares and printing it makes people uncomfortable.  </p>
<p>The subsidized healthcare vs. suicide angle is a good point to make.  Why are we more threatened by something like that than we are the undermining of certain principles?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The abuse by Catholic priests was routine enough that we can call it a systemic problem. Same with soldiers who are murderers. But I have never said that all soldiers are murderers, nor have I said that all Catholic priests are molesters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The abuse by Catholic priests was routine enough that we can call it a systemic problem. Same with soldiers who are murderers. But I have never said that all soldiers are murderers, nor have I said that all Catholic priests are molesters.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle R. Cupp</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/01/20/american-military-murders-prisoners-and-nobody-cares/#comment-69782</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle R. Cupp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;What kind of society is more offended by attempts to provide subsidized healthcare than in torturing people to death?&lt;/em&gt;

One of these two things really can be closely associated with Communism, but guess which one most loudly is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What kind of society is more offended by attempts to provide subsidized healthcare than in torturing people to death?</em></p>
<p>One of these two things really can be closely associated with Communism, but guess which one most loudly is.</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Nickol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;You do recall the situation of the sexual behavior of not a small number of Catholic priests and the subsequent cover up, right?&lt;/i&gt;

Michael,

I would not say priests routinely molest boys, and I would not say members of the military routinely murder civilians. I would not say the Catholic Church molests boys, and I would not say the U.S. military kills civilians. Cover-ups happen often enough in both the Catholic Church and the military for me not to object if someone says the Catholic Church covers up sex abuse or the military covers up murders.

While the abuse rate among Catholic priests is shockingly high -- I have seen figures as high as 7 percent of priests being abusers in some areas -- by far the majority of priests have never molested anyone, and by far the majority of men in our military have never murdered anyone, or so I believe. 

It seems as unfair to me to speak as if all men (and women) in uniform were murderers as it would to speak as if all priests were sexual predators.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You do recall the situation of the sexual behavior of not a small number of Catholic priests and the subsequent cover up, right?</i></p>
<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I would not say priests routinely molest boys, and I would not say members of the military routinely murder civilians. I would not say the Catholic Church molests boys, and I would not say the U.S. military kills civilians. Cover-ups happen often enough in both the Catholic Church and the military for me not to object if someone says the Catholic Church covers up sex abuse or the military covers up murders.</p>
<p>While the abuse rate among Catholic priests is shockingly high &#8212; I have seen figures as high as 7 percent of priests being abusers in some areas &#8212; by far the majority of priests have never molested anyone, and by far the majority of men in our military have never murdered anyone, or so I believe. </p>
<p>It seems as unfair to me to speak as if all men (and women) in uniform were murderers as it would to speak as if all priests were sexual predators.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2010/01/20/american-military-murders-prisoners-and-nobody-cares/#comment-69778</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David - I&#039;m not sure why you think routine behavior cannot be continually covered up. You do recall the situation of the sexual behavior of not a small number of Catholic priests and the subsequent cover up, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure why you think routine behavior cannot be continually covered up. You do recall the situation of the sexual behavior of not a small number of Catholic priests and the subsequent cover up, right?</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickol</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Nickol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;How dare you accuse the u.s. military of intentionally killing people?&lt;/i&gt;

The story is credible, but I would accuse the military &lt;i&gt;personnel&lt;/i&gt; who killed the prisoners of killing people, and the military (although not the &lt;i&gt;entire&lt;/i&gt; military) of covering it up. 

If &quot;our boys&quot; did this routinely, and nobody really cared, there would be no need for a cover-up. 

Cover-up is the homage which vice pays to virtue, to paraphrase  La Rochefoucauld.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How dare you accuse the u.s. military of intentionally killing people?</i></p>
<p>The story is credible, but I would accuse the military <i>personnel</i> who killed the prisoners of killing people, and the military (although not the <i>entire</i> military) of covering it up. </p>
<p>If &#8220;our boys&#8221; did this routinely, and nobody really cared, there would be no need for a cover-up. </p>
<p>Cover-up is the homage which vice pays to virtue, to paraphrase  La Rochefoucauld.</p>
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