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	<title>Comments on: Exploring Social Obligation</title>
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		<title>By: ockraz</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/08/05/exploring-social-obligation/#comment-61173</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ockraz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the concept of social justice and government redistribution rather than reliance on charity, I refer to John Rawls two principles of justice...

First-

Each person is to have an equal right to the most extensive scheme of equal basic liberties compatible with a similar scheme of liberties for others.

Second-    

Social and economic inequalities are to be arranged so that:

a) they are to be of the greatest benefit to the least-advantaged members of society.

b) offices and positions must be open to everyone under conditions of fair equality of opportunity]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the concept of social justice and government redistribution rather than reliance on charity, I refer to John Rawls two principles of justice&#8230;</p>
<p>First-</p>
<p>Each person is to have an equal right to the most extensive scheme of equal basic liberties compatible with a similar scheme of liberties for others.</p>
<p>Second-    </p>
<p>Social and economic inequalities are to be arranged so that:</p>
<p>a) they are to be of the greatest benefit to the least-advantaged members of society.</p>
<p>b) offices and positions must be open to everyone under conditions of fair equality of opportunity</p>
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		<title>By: B.C.</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/08/05/exploring-social-obligation/#comment-60944</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B.C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael,

We can call it whatever, but &quot;a rose is a rose is a rose&quot;.    lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>We can call it whatever, but &#8220;a rose is a rose is a rose&#8221;.    lol</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/08/05/exploring-social-obligation/#comment-60943</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[B.C. - You are right on. Contrary to the views of conservatives, Christianity IS about the redistribution of wealth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B.C. &#8211; You are right on. Contrary to the views of conservatives, Christianity IS about the redistribution of wealth.</p>
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		<title>By: B.C.</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/08/05/exploring-social-obligation/#comment-60940</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B.C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imagine a catholic parish run with no &quot;budget cap&quot; on helping the poor within the parish community.  No cap. As long as their is need, the parish gives.  Secular wisdom: that would create financial irresponsibility and chaos.

Possible Christian Wisdom:  The well will never run dry....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine a catholic parish run with no &#8220;budget cap&#8221; on helping the poor within the parish community.  No cap. As long as their is need, the parish gives.  Secular wisdom: that would create financial irresponsibility and chaos.</p>
<p>Possible Christian Wisdom:  The well will never run dry&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/08/05/exploring-social-obligation/#comment-60933</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The modern conservative is engaged in one of man&#039;s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.&quot;   ~John Kenneth Galbraith]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The modern conservative is engaged in one of man&#8217;s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.&#8221;   ~John Kenneth Galbraith</p>
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		<title>By: B.C.</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/08/05/exploring-social-obligation/#comment-60932</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B.C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is interesting that there has been no mention of the responsibility of the local parish community to &quot;respond&quot; directly to the needs of the poor within that community.

Redistribution of wealth within the Catholic parish setting makes for messy budgeting. I&#039;d love to see, in the parish, more of that kind of &quot;mess&quot;.  Actual love IS &quot;messy&quot;....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that there has been no mention of the responsibility of the local parish community to &#8220;respond&#8221; directly to the needs of the poor within that community.</p>
<p>Redistribution of wealth within the Catholic parish setting makes for messy budgeting. I&#8217;d love to see, in the parish, more of that kind of &#8220;mess&#8221;.  Actual love IS &#8220;messy&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald King</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/08/05/exploring-social-obligation/#comment-60924</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald King]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems that programs or organizations that result in helping those less fortunate are the result of charity--love.  Every virtue seems to flow from love and, as the Pope points out God Is Love.  Love is unitive.  As Jesus prayed in John 17, I believe, that we are one as He and the Father are one so that the world may believe that He did come for all of us.

Our love or charity cannot remain fragmented as it is if we are to show the world that Jesus is real and that God is Love.  The government programs that attempt to organize a coherent care for the needy are the result of the fragmented and disjointed efforts of Catholic efforts to help.  The Catholic charities seem to operate from love but do not seem to be organized into a coherent unity and thus fall short of potential effectiveness.
However, it seems that both Catholic and Christian programs to help the needy do parallel government programs for the same purpose and what they seem to have in common is the operation of love as their motivation.
Love filtered through human beings ultimately will get distorted in its expression and mutate into something less than its source and consequently will have a less than desired effect.  Then the critics will voice their objections from either side and blame the other.
The problem seems to be that the focus is on the failure of the other rather than focus on the motivation of love that initiates the desire to help.  It seems that if love were to be defined as the starting point for such programs then the unitive aspect of love would influence a global and more inclusive picture of the dynamics of suffering and consequently, a clearer organized and unified effort to create the &quot;earthly city&quot; of unified love that all desire to have at the most vulnerable hidden and sacred unknown of our being human.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that programs or organizations that result in helping those less fortunate are the result of charity&#8211;love.  Every virtue seems to flow from love and, as the Pope points out God Is Love.  Love is unitive.  As Jesus prayed in John 17, I believe, that we are one as He and the Father are one so that the world may believe that He did come for all of us.</p>
<p>Our love or charity cannot remain fragmented as it is if we are to show the world that Jesus is real and that God is Love.  The government programs that attempt to organize a coherent care for the needy are the result of the fragmented and disjointed efforts of Catholic efforts to help.  The Catholic charities seem to operate from love but do not seem to be organized into a coherent unity and thus fall short of potential effectiveness.<br />
However, it seems that both Catholic and Christian programs to help the needy do parallel government programs for the same purpose and what they seem to have in common is the operation of love as their motivation.<br />
Love filtered through human beings ultimately will get distorted in its expression and mutate into something less than its source and consequently will have a less than desired effect.  Then the critics will voice their objections from either side and blame the other.<br />
The problem seems to be that the focus is on the failure of the other rather than focus on the motivation of love that initiates the desire to help.  It seems that if love were to be defined as the starting point for such programs then the unitive aspect of love would influence a global and more inclusive picture of the dynamics of suffering and consequently, a clearer organized and unified effort to create the &#8220;earthly city&#8221; of unified love that all desire to have at the most vulnerable hidden and sacred unknown of our being human.</p>
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		<title>By: David Raber</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/08/05/exploring-social-obligation/#comment-60923</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Raber]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Libertarians do not believe in the first place that there is such a thing as &quot;the common good&quot;, but it patently does exist, as is shown by the example of vaccination for public health:  getting a vaccine may not make sense to me individually, because of the real hazards involved, but it does make sense in terms of the good of the collectivity as a whole.  It is a perfect example--and many others could be cited.

Thus it may not be good for me as an individual that the government takes some of my money essentially at gunpoint, but it could be to the common good that it does so.

Now if it is true there is such a thing as the common good, and we have a genuine democracy that allows a majority of the collectivity to determine what is to the common good, plus safeguards of rights  are in place to protect those not in the majority--then God is in heaven and all is right with the world! Well, maybe not quite, but I hope the point is clear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarians do not believe in the first place that there is such a thing as &#8220;the common good&#8221;, but it patently does exist, as is shown by the example of vaccination for public health:  getting a vaccine may not make sense to me individually, because of the real hazards involved, but it does make sense in terms of the good of the collectivity as a whole.  It is a perfect example&#8211;and many others could be cited.</p>
<p>Thus it may not be good for me as an individual that the government takes some of my money essentially at gunpoint, but it could be to the common good that it does so.</p>
<p>Now if it is true there is such a thing as the common good, and we have a genuine democracy that allows a majority of the collectivity to determine what is to the common good, plus safeguards of rights  are in place to protect those not in the majority&#8211;then God is in heaven and all is right with the world! Well, maybe not quite, but I hope the point is clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/08/05/exploring-social-obligation/#comment-60879</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Virtue does not simply adhere in &quot;private persons&quot; but in virtuous communities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virtue does not simply adhere in &#8220;private persons&#8221; but in virtuous communities.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/08/05/exploring-social-obligation/#comment-60872</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kurt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 02:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I am with BC.  The minimum wage is not an issue of charity but justice.  The right of workers to organize is not a matter of charity but justice.  Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment compensation and Workers Comp are not charity but social insurance.  Veterans&#039; benefits are not charity but justice.  

And the parts of &quot;big government&quot; that conservatives like are justice as well.  They like the Patent &amp; Trademark office because it protects their precious intellectual property from knock-offs and fakes.  They like the FDA because it saves Big Pharma from the endless (and just) lawsuits from marketed products that kill or sicken consumers.  The like the National Center for Health Statistics because without it they would never be able to set mortality schedules for their insurance policies they sell to the aged.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I am with BC.  The minimum wage is not an issue of charity but justice.  The right of workers to organize is not a matter of charity but justice.  Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment compensation and Workers Comp are not charity but social insurance.  Veterans&#8217; benefits are not charity but justice.  </p>
<p>And the parts of &#8220;big government&#8221; that conservatives like are justice as well.  They like the Patent &amp; Trademark office because it protects their precious intellectual property from knock-offs and fakes.  They like the FDA because it saves Big Pharma from the endless (and just) lawsuits from marketed products that kill or sicken consumers.  The like the National Center for Health Statistics because without it they would never be able to set mortality schedules for their insurance policies they sell to the aged.</p>
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		<title>By: B.C.</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/08/05/exploring-social-obligation/#comment-60867</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B.C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To do this, either individuals, communities (the local parish -oh my goodness - or the government, is not an option, it is a moral obligation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To do this, either individuals, communities (the local parish -oh my goodness &#8211; or the government, is not an option, it is a moral obligation.</p>
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		<title>By: B.C.</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/08/05/exploring-social-obligation/#comment-60866</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B.C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When the wealthy or the government &quot;gives&quot; to the poor it isn&#039;t charity (in the common usage of the word), it is &quot;paying a debt owed to the poor&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the wealthy or the government &#8220;gives&#8221; to the poor it isn&#8217;t charity (in the common usage of the word), it is &#8220;paying a debt owed to the poor&#8221;.</p>
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