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  1. M.J. Andrew permalink
    July 7, 2009 3:13 pm

    I am glad that you mentioned Weigel’s piece. To suggest that the Pope conceded to his own Curia in order to maintain peace in the papal court is ridiculous and disingenuous. To even pretend that one has the competence to parse out the “Benedictine” elements from the “Justice and Peace” elements is to accord to oneself a competency that ravishes credulity. But let us, for a moment, say that Weigel is correct–that the Curia (and specifically Cardinal Martino) sort of forced in its own teachings. The promulgation of a papal encyclical is done solely by the Pope, so the full content of each encyclical rests entirely on the Pope’s authority, no matter who write which sections. Recall that it is well known that Pope Leo XIII and Pius XII often had others draft their encyclicals, and the constitutions and decrees of at least the last three Ecumenical Councils (Trent, Vatican I, and Vatican II) were written mostly by theological experts and not the bishops and the pope. What matter is the authentic magisterium that promulgates the teachings. Once that’s done, the teachings–no matter their origin–are Catholic doctrine.

    But seriously, who in their right mind would think that Weigel is doing anything than attempting to justify the dismissal of those sections of the new encyclical that do not accord well with his antecedently adopted political schema?

  2. July 7, 2009 3:21 pm

    My favorite part is when Weigel said that Benedict delayed the encyclical because he was displeased with his curial enemies, not because of the economic crisis!

  3. David Nickol permalink
    July 7, 2009 3:24 pm

    I think this may be the first time the historical-critical method has been used to tease out the “real” meaning of a religious document on the very day it was published.

  4. July 7, 2009 3:32 pm

    I am about to read this but must say, in advance, that the title is just too funny!

  5. July 7, 2009 3:37 pm

    Done. Brilliant.

  6. July 7, 2009 3:45 pm

    When I usually frown upon these kinds of pieces, Weigel got just what he asked for in this case. Very funny.

  7. Boz permalink
    July 7, 2009 4:03 pm

    or as a commenter on another blog said, ultimately Weigel is accusing Benedict XVI of being “a silly old man who tried to please everybody”

  8. July 7, 2009 4:17 pm

    And so he did, but he was very clever. In his own hand, he wrote in a gold pen, a gold as bright as the shining sun. What they gave him, he wrote with a red pen, a red the color of blood.

    HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This post is so getting bookmarked.

    Weigel set himself up on this one!

  9. alex martin permalink
    July 7, 2009 4:33 pm

    I often disagree with you, MM, but you got it right on the nose this time. Well done.

  10. July 7, 2009 5:08 pm

    Morning great piece!! I am going to dinner down(date night) but im looking forward to your piece on How Fater Reesee piece was so misleading(are there going to be posts on that appeared in Newsweek!!)

    I am actually hoping how Catholic conservatives and liberals can have a disussion here.

    It is amazing how much we have in common but we both want to make each other the enemy. But 90 perecent of Catholic “liberals” have never heard of Father Reese and 90 perecent of Catholic Conservatives in the real world(like their liberal Catholic Counterparts)have never heard of Weigel)we can go on playing this inside internet baseball and feel so intelligent over overyone else. A trait common to the both camps

    Time to talk and keep worrying about the worst fables about each other. You can’t call us “Culture warriors” and we can’t call you “Socialist” so easy anymore.

    Hopefully you will meet the challenge

  11. July 7, 2009 5:14 pm

    JH, there should be no division. Benedict seems almost testy when he notes the false divisions in social teaching between the two camps. I think we can agree that should be no such division.

  12. July 7, 2009 5:23 pm

    JH: Amen.

  13. Zak permalink
    July 7, 2009 5:48 pm

    :-)

    Well David, you need to look at the historical social teaching, not the social teaching of faith.

  14. Gabriel Austin permalink
    July 7, 2009 5:51 pm

    M.J. Andrew writes
    an excellent commentary on the silly Weigel piece. His vocabulary is a wonder.

  15. July 7, 2009 8:45 pm

    Absolutely brilliant. Weigel brought this on himself.

  16. brettsalkeld permalink*
    July 7, 2009 9:58 pm

    You know, I think a good case could be made that Weigel didn’t actually write that piece. I suspect he was kidnapped by leftists who have now published this in his name. Maybe he wrote bits and pieces of it, but overall it just looks too much like a caricature. I mean, really, would he actually publish something to which the best rebuttal is simply, “Look what Weigel wrote this time”?

  17. Chris Sullivan permalink
    July 7, 2009 11:11 pm

    Brilliant post, Mornings Minnion !

    Like brettsalkeld, I’m struggling to believe that Weigel would actually be so brash as to write that article.

    Did he really write it ?

    God Bless

  18. ron chandonia permalink
    July 8, 2009 6:53 am

    MM vs. Weigel? MM wins, hands down. Thanks for bringing joy to this morning.

  19. ron chandonia permalink
    July 8, 2009 6:59 am

    One more thought: The fact that George Weigel is a fool does not make geniuses of his critics on the left. For a really thoughtful take on the commentary about Caritas in Veritate, check out Rick Garnett’s remarks on Mirror of Justice.

  20. July 8, 2009 7:48 am

    My husband read this to me aloud last night and once again we almost died laughing… thank you for the post!

  21. July 8, 2009 8:33 am

    Wow…Weigel’s response was simply too American…and dumb.

  22. grega permalink
    July 8, 2009 9:12 am

    Clearly things are shifting – I imagine just a short couple of years ago plenty folks would have taken Weigels utterances quite serious and cheered him on.
    Now he goes down the drain of history with the rest of his neocon torture fools.
    However as Ron pointed out this is not the occasion for ‘Schadenfreude’ – indeed the Pope provides plenty of honest morsal and intelectual challenges for us on the left to chew on. We have plenty of our own “Weigels” on the left – no time for Schadenfreude indeed.

  23. Tom Piatak permalink
    July 8, 2009 9:47 am

    An outstanding piece.

  24. July 8, 2009 10:43 am

    Weigel deserves every bit of mockery thrown at him for his piece. But still he deserves kudos, because I think for once he’s united all sides of the Catholic spectrum – just not in the way he intended.

  25. Mike McG... permalink
    July 8, 2009 12:03 pm

    Quick note to three (small?) VN audiences I inhabit: 1. the time pressed, who scan posts and thus miss the occasional choice nugget; 2. the tone sensitive, who are weary of the usual suspects and their predictable food fights; and 3. those who often find themselves living between the 40 yard lines, who puzzle at the dogmatism, left and right, that blots out all amgiguity and paradox:

    Check out jh’s post at 5:08 pm on 7.7.

    Yes!

  26. Liam permalink
    July 8, 2009 2:06 pm

    In a discussion forum I have inhabited for many years, before the advent of blogs, someone responded to a discussion of the encyclical in the specific context of the USA as follows:

    “It is something that an unborn baby is not legally a person but an amalgamation of capital is.”

    The predicate for this is that Americans assume the current treatment and duties of corporations under our legal and social systems’ is coeval with our constitutional framework, whereas in reality it is largely the work of the Gilded Age.

    We take things as fixed when they are not. The encyclical is an opportunity to nourish hope (not mere optimism).

  27. July 8, 2009 3:53 pm

    I wrote a response to Weigel’s piece here. The implications the piece has for Pope Benedict XVI’s character seem to have escaped Weigel.

  28. CEK permalink
    July 8, 2009 6:20 pm

    Fantastic article, MM.

    I found Weigel’s ‘naive and dumb’ statement to be the highlight of his review: Here is a fellow who, naively and stupidly I guess he himself would say, spent gallons of ink twisting JWT to fit the Bush admin’s foreign policy.

  29. July 9, 2009 10:24 am

    M J Andrew has a very telling analysis of Weigel. yet I wonder if there is not something in Weigel’s claims. The concrete parts of the Encyclical, about finance, immigration, technology etc. read a bit like Populorum Progression and are in the Justice and Peace style promoted after Vatican II. But the conservative ideological parts are echt Benedict, failing to place the concrete parts in any integrated context. So I think he relied on the J and P commission for those concrete parts while giving free rein to his own vision in the rest. And I do think it likely that the J and P people in the Vatican have long been frustrated with the hijacking of social doctrine by John Paul II (mixing it up with his anti abortion crusade, paring the option for the poor with a pastoral option for youth, and pouncing on perceived leftists such as the Sandinistas, the Jesuits and the liberation theologians is a cruel and blind way).

  30. July 9, 2009 10:25 am

    paring SHD BE pairing

  31. July 9, 2009 2:03 pm

    Wow. This may be a first: a witty and scathing post against a key right-leaning figure that EVERYONE in the comboxes agrees is accurate and just! Congratulations, MM.

    That itself may be the greatest testament to just how messed up Weigel’s priorities are!

    Pax Christi,

  32. July 9, 2009 5:47 pm

    I laughed.

  33. July 9, 2009 6:02 pm

    I deduce that Weigel’s essay was written by an Australian summer intern with platypuses on the brain.

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