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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/04/16/obama-releases-torture-memos/#comment-53554</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;If this continues, maybe one day we can be facebook friends ;)&lt;/em&gt;

Anything&#039;s possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If this continues, maybe one day we can be facebook friends ;)</em></p>
<p>Anything&#8217;s possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Denton</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/04/16/obama-releases-torture-memos/#comment-53552</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Denton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iafrate:

Haha. I think you should use the second quote; I think it&#039;s cooler to have me saying: &quot;And furthermore, Iafrate is right on a matter of unchanging, eternal Catholic dogma preached by Christ himself. The assertion of the contrary is heresy.&quot; Any quote that out of context seems to accuse opponents of ehresy has to end up on an endorsement wall (though alas, I see you do not have one yet). 

If this continues, maybe one day we can be facebook friends ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iafrate:</p>
<p>Haha. I think you should use the second quote; I think it&#8217;s cooler to have me saying: &#8220;And furthermore, Iafrate is right on a matter of unchanging, eternal Catholic dogma preached by Christ himself. The assertion of the contrary is heresy.&#8221; Any quote that out of context seems to accuse opponents of ehresy has to end up on an endorsement wall (though alas, I see you do not have one yet). </p>
<p>If this continues, maybe one day we can be facebook friends ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Karlson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Karlson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael Denton

The lawyers could be culpable depending upon many factors. I say investigate them. I expect they will provide statements to implicate other officials. We shall see. But beyond that, as I&#039;ve said before, and I will say again -- if Obama doesn&#039;t go forward and do something it is indeed a shame. But I hope you have seen how I have and continue to criticize him when he goes against his own campaign promises.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Denton</p>
<p>The lawyers could be culpable depending upon many factors. I say investigate them. I expect they will provide statements to implicate other officials. We shall see. But beyond that, as I&#8217;ve said before, and I will say again &#8212; if Obama doesn&#8217;t go forward and do something it is indeed a shame. But I hope you have seen how I have and continue to criticize him when he goes against his own campaign promises.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/04/16/obama-releases-torture-memos/#comment-53545</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t wait to put this on CatholicAnarchy.org as an endorsement:

&quot;Iafrate is right.&quot;
- Michael Denton]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t wait to put this on CatholicAnarchy.org as an endorsement:</p>
<p>&#8220;Iafrate is right.&#8221;<br />
- Michael Denton</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Denton</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/04/16/obama-releases-torture-memos/#comment-53544</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Denton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Henry:

I don&#039;t think he should go after the lawyers (giving legal advice is not a crime, even if it&#039;s advice to do the unthinkable. The lawyers should be judged by God but not by the courts, unless there is some evidence that they knowingly gave bad legal advice, which is another matter, one I think the Disciplinary Boards have already taken up. Regardless the lawyers are the last ones who should be threatened with prosecurtion) and even if he does it&#039;s not enough. Why is he not considering the CIA members who actually carried out the torture? As Nuremburg pointed out, they are guilty even if they followed orders. 

The answer is that the lawyers are connected to the Bush administration while the others are not. Indeed, Obama does not want to impugn his own authority nor go after the politically unsavory target of soldiers. 

This is grandstanding for poll points; not a defense of life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he should go after the lawyers (giving legal advice is not a crime, even if it&#8217;s advice to do the unthinkable. The lawyers should be judged by God but not by the courts, unless there is some evidence that they knowingly gave bad legal advice, which is another matter, one I think the Disciplinary Boards have already taken up. Regardless the lawyers are the last ones who should be threatened with prosecurtion) and even if he does it&#8217;s not enough. Why is he not considering the CIA members who actually carried out the torture? As Nuremburg pointed out, they are guilty even if they followed orders. </p>
<p>The answer is that the lawyers are connected to the Bush administration while the others are not. Indeed, Obama does not want to impugn his own authority nor go after the politically unsavory target of soldiers. </p>
<p>This is grandstanding for poll points; not a defense of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Karlson</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/04/16/obama-releases-torture-memos/#comment-53541</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Karlson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael Denton

The news is that he is now looking into the possibility, actually. 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090421/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_interrogation_memos

&quot;WASHINGTON – Widening an explosive debate on torture, President Barack Obama on Tuesday opened the possibility of prosecution for Bush-era lawyers who authorized brutal interrogation of terror suspects and suggested Congress might order a full investigation.&quot;

But I agree, if he does not, it is wrong, and a shame on him. Which I have already said on here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Denton</p>
<p>The news is that he is now looking into the possibility, actually.<br />
<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090421/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_interrogation_memos" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090421/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_interrogation_memos</a></p>
<p>&#8220;WASHINGTON – Widening an explosive debate on torture, President Barack Obama on Tuesday opened the possibility of prosecution for Bush-era lawyers who authorized brutal interrogation of terror suspects and suggested Congress might order a full investigation.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I agree, if he does not, it is wrong, and a shame on him. Which I have already said on here.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Denton</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/04/16/obama-releases-torture-memos/#comment-53540</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Denton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And furthermore, Iafrate is right on a matter of unchanging, eternal Catholic dogma preached by Christ himself. The assertion of the contrary is heresy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And furthermore, Iafrate is right on a matter of unchanging, eternal Catholic dogma preached by Christ himself. The assertion of the contrary is heresy.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Denton</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/04/16/obama-releases-torture-memos/#comment-53539</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Denton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ari: 

Everyone has been created imago dei; every human life is equally precious. Iafrate is right.

And whenever I have to say Iafrate is right, someone is making a very poor argument. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ari: </p>
<p>Everyone has been created imago dei; every human life is equally precious. Iafrate is right.</p>
<p>And whenever I have to say Iafrate is right, someone is making a very poor argument. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Denton</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/04/16/obama-releases-torture-memos/#comment-53536</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Denton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Henry:

This was many many MANY comments ago, so I&#039;ll refresh what you said: 

&lt;i&gt;Would you make the same argument if it were memos of sexual abused covered up by Planned Parenthood instead of torture which happened under GW Bush’s watch? That it would be worthless to reveal this information now?&lt;/i&gt;

I didn&#039;t say it was worthless. I think it was the right decision. However, I&#039;m not going to celebrate it since he&#039;s not going after the people responsible for it. Yes, there&#039;s some good in knowing what happened, but we knew most of it anyway. 

The larger good is going after the perpetrators, which Obama is cowardly not doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry:</p>
<p>This was many many MANY comments ago, so I&#8217;ll refresh what you said: </p>
<p><i>Would you make the same argument if it were memos of sexual abused covered up by Planned Parenthood instead of torture which happened under GW Bush’s watch? That it would be worthless to reveal this information now?</i></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say it was worthless. I think it was the right decision. However, I&#8217;m not going to celebrate it since he&#8217;s not going after the people responsible for it. Yes, there&#8217;s some good in knowing what happened, but we knew most of it anyway. </p>
<p>The larger good is going after the perpetrators, which Obama is cowardly not doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/04/16/obama-releases-torture-memos/#comment-53527</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;Did you even know what it is you actually stated or do you simply suffer from occasional fits of pure outrage over Americans saving innocent American lives?&lt;/I&gt;

I know EXACTLY what I stated. I am all for saving innocent human lives, but not if it involves damaging the well-being and the dignity that belongs to ALL human beings. Christianity knows no borders. American lives are not more special than non-American lives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Did you even know what it is you actually stated or do you simply suffer from occasional fits of pure outrage over Americans saving innocent American lives?</i></p>
<p>I know EXACTLY what I stated. I am all for saving innocent human lives, but not if it involves damaging the well-being and the dignity that belongs to ALL human beings. Christianity knows no borders. American lives are not more special than non-American lives.</p>
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		<title>By: ari</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/04/16/obama-releases-torture-memos/#comment-53525</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ari]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael,

Did you even know what it is you actually stated or do you simply suffer from occasional fits of pure outrage over Americans saving innocent American lives?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Did you even know what it is you actually stated or do you simply suffer from occasional fits of pure outrage over Americans saving innocent American lives?</p>
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		<title>By: S.B.</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/04/16/obama-releases-torture-memos/#comment-53524</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S.B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or this from Canon law: &quot;Parents must possess a true freedom in choosing schools; therefore, the Christian faithful must be concerned that civil society recognizes this freedom for parents and even supports it with subsidies.&quot;  

In other words, true freedom for parents to choose schools, supported in their choices by government subsidies.  Subsidies = another word for vouchers.  QED.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or this from Canon law: &#8220;Parents must possess a true freedom in choosing schools; therefore, the Christian faithful must be concerned that civil society recognizes this freedom for parents and even supports it with subsidies.&#8221;  </p>
<p>In other words, true freedom for parents to choose schools, supported in their choices by government subsidies.  Subsidies = another word for vouchers.  QED.</p>
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