Michael Steele, the voice of the modern Republican party, on global warming:
“We are cooling. We are not warming. The warming you see out there, the supposed warming, and I am using my finger quotation marks here, is part of the cooling process. Greenland, which is now covered in ice, it was once called Greenland for a reason, right? Iceland, which is now green. Oh I love this. Like we know what this planet is all about. How long have we been here? How long? No very long.”
I long for the day when the Republican party can join the adult conversation, when it ceases to take its cues from an narcissistic junkie and a pseudo-plumber. Even worse, so many pro-lifers have hitched themselves to this ship, and are now going down with it.
That’s quite a partisan axe you’ve got there. If there was a post everytime a Democratic Party honcho said or did something silly, this would be the most active Catholic blog on the Internet – by far.
I personally long for the day when both parties – and especially the Democratic one – give those who wish to protect unborn life the time of day.
You’re swinging quite a partisan ax yourself there, Jonathan. Would that be after the Republican Party restores the reputation of pro-lifers by renouncing the naked hypocrisy of all the things it advocates (torture, war-as-first-resort, “we’re-an-empire-now” etc.) that undermine the establishment of a culture of life?
The Republican womb-to-…well, -birth way it “supports” life has done as much damage to the wider cause of life as any pro-choicer.
Oh? This is my last post on this thread, because I don’t have the time or the desire for a silly hack partisan fight, so:
Both parties are imperfect vehicles for social change. Both have people that do or say silly things. This is not particularly noteworthy absent blogger hyperventilation. On the question of unborn life, where Catholic teaching is quite authorative and indisputable, and where we see millions slaughtered, only one party in the U.S. close to the levers of power is open to their protection through law, which all Catholics in positions of responsbility should advocate if they wish to claim the label. This is not to defend or to disparage, but to wish that the other party would be open to this as well. Finally, the political partisanship is tiring and, in my view, approaching the comical.
/End. Have a pleasant afternoon.
The Church condemns all murder, not just of the unborn. Not only is Jonathan rather quiet on this front, but he has actively supported evil acts against the “born”, including the collective punishment of the Gaza population by military blockade. I can’t remember where he stands on the murder of civilians in Gaza, including the use of chemical weapons, though in the past he has brushed aside these type of concerns on the basis of a supposedly defective Palestinian culture. Needless to say, this is nt exactly a Catholic position.
And it is “noteworthy” if only because people like him persist in the error of seeing the American Republican party as more aligned to Catholic teaching.
How does Obama appointing his first pro-abortion judge fit into Catholic teaching?
http://www.lifenews.com/nat4920.html
“If only because people like him persist in the error of seeing the American Republican party as more aligned to Catholic teaching.”
Well, it’s easy to see how one might view the GOP in this light when one considers that the alternative is the Democratic Party.
It truly amazes me that you waste your breath going after a fool like Steele when your own party is lead by a man whose views on life issues are nothing short of evil.
As much as you may wish to believe that global warming and health care are on par with the issues of abortion and ESCR, they’re not. The former are important issues, but the latter are of the utmost importance (as you well know).
I suspect he will refer to “Faithful Citizenship” which puts all these things on the same level.
From Matt Talbot’s Tu Quoque to Morning Minion’s notorious ignoratio elenchi, there are no lengths to which those who would so defend the repulsive Culture of Death of the Democratic Party would go to in order to deny culpability and deflect the charge that their party fiercely advocates and promotes the murdering of unborn innocents, which the Obama administration is wont to do globally and not just within the United States, as his agenda at the beginning of the year had laid out.
Shame on you. Shame on you all!
Both parties are wrong on issues of life. Equally and disgustingly wrong.
Kat-
They’re not equally wrong. If you don’t think there’s a difference between the Bush administration and the Obama Administration on abortion and ESCR, you’re kidding yourself. The GOP is far from perfect. I’ll grant you that. But the Democratic Party is openly hostile to the prolife movement, and is, as I type, seeking to roll back every prolife gain made over the last 28 years. Saying a pox on both their houses may make you feel good, but the differences between the two parties on life issues cannot be whitewashed. And that is exactly what MM and his ilk attempt to do here at Vox Nova with every one of their DNC-talking-points-inspired posts
Let’s face it. Republican presidents failed ALWAYS whenever they had the chance to give us the actual 5th Anti-Roe judge. Don’t talk of Thomas, Scalia, Roberts and Alito. Just remember Kennedy, O’Connor and Souter. Considering that their approach to pro-life matters is virtually completely judicial, we must sayw that they have been abysmmal failures here.
Throw in how they cheapen life with torture, an unbridled and unregulated capitalism, unjust war that results in 100,000s of deaths and a propensity to draw on, kindle and exploit the worst of our racist and ethnic prejudices (witness the last presidential election–and you have just another PARTY OF DEATH.
And that is exactly what MM and his ilk attempt to do here at Vox Nova with every one of their DNC-talking-points-inspired posts
Very ironic coming from a guy who is a card-carrying Republic activist and who runs a blog devoated to equating Catholicism with the same Republican party. Very ironic.
MM, you obviously don’t read my blog. Unlike you, I actually criticize my party.
Michael Steele needs to step away from the microphone (and, preferably, from the RNC) for a while.
“Both parties are imperfect vehicles for social change. ”
But no one has ever been denied communion for voting republican.
It is willful intellectual blindness to claim that the Republican party and the Democratic party are equally wrong with respect to the protection of innocent human life.
Is the editorial position at “Vox Nova” one of “Man-Made Global Warming”? I am concerned about practicing good husbandry of the earth like any good Catholic Christian should be. However, there are thousands upon thousands of scientists who have signed public statements that do not believe that at least there is not enough evidence to prove “Climate Change” or is it “Global Warming” which one I forget? or at the most it is, but its not “Man Made”. Why is this continually being ignorned. Finally I think Michael Critchon before he died made a compelling argument that it is possible for Science to be corrupted. It gets corrupted by money and politics just like any other fallible institution. Deal with it, there is NOT consensus amongst the world’s scientists..there is only consensus amongst scientists aggregated and organized by the “U.N” a …..”Objective” Organization…the same one whose human rights bodies advocate for abortion and gay marriage
However, there are thousands upon thousands of scientists who have signed public statements that do not believe that at least there is not enough evidence
I don’t think so. Global warming denialists are a tinyt minority in the scientific community. They get out-of-proportion attention simply because one of the major American parties has bought into its radical agenda. Trust me, as on so many other issues, people in other countries do not think this way.
Oh, and Michael Crichton was a novelist, not a scientist.
And the UN is approved by the Church as the representative of the global community, including as the final arbiter of issues related to war and peace.
It is willful intellectual blindness to claim that the Republican party and the Democratic party are equally wrong with respect to the protection of innocent human life.
I think the Repunican party is actually worse beucause they do nothing for abortion (talk is as cheap as a share in a major bank), while killing and torturing a lot of people who would not otherwise be killed and tortured.
But no one has ever been denied communion for voting republican
Nobody in any other country tries to deny communion for voting for anybody at all, from Le Pen to the Italian communists. The calls for such to happen are largely American problem, because that’s how evangelicals do politics. And as far as I know, it applies to one renegade priest who refused communion to Douglas Kmiec, and he was in turn chastised by his bishop. Are there others I am missing?
You make perfectly excellent points MM yet of course you know that all the smarts and reason in the world will not prevent a significant percentage of any given society to pursue not so smart choices.
I very much like what Greens and Democrats offer but certainly if one wishes one can find plenty of not exactly impressive or particular kosher democratic OPERAtives – Murtha? Rangle? Dodd? Shumer?
Frankly there is also some danger in overselling something as scientifically complex as global warming.
Responsible scientist typically admit the limitation of their data.
In my mind the verdict is not quite out if the likely rush towards ‘zero’ carbon nuclear energy will work out all that great for humankind.
Personally I prefer the somewhat charming stumbles and rumbles of a Steele and yes Rush over the ice cold cynical executed deadly effective ploys of the Cheneys of this world.
Unfortunatelly it seems to me that the Obama financial team has quite a few of the Cheneyesque Figures.
“Nothing we could do legally” Summers comes to mind.
I dunno. When will liberal Catholics stop taking their marching orders from baby-killers, Freemasons, Protestants, Karl Marx and Al Franken?
MM,
Right, because all of the pro-life legislation enacted solely by Republicans is totally meaningless and mere posturing.
How absurd.
Morning’s Minion Says:
March 17, 2009 at 10:18 pm
However, there are thousands upon thousands of scientists who have signed public statements that do not believe that at least there is not enough evidence
I don’t think so. Global warming denialists are a tinyt minority in the scientific community. They get out-of-proportion attention simply because one of the major American parties has bought into its radical agenda. Trust me, as on so many other issues, people in other countries do not think this way.
Oh, and Michael Crichton was a novelist, not a scientist.
And the UN is approved by the Church as the representative of the global community, including as the final arbiter of issues related to war and peace.
1. http://www.oism.org/pproject/ 31,000 American Scientists 95% PhD Verification Rate.
2. Michael Crichton did not hold himself up to be a “Scientist” (However I think you and I both know he was a medical Doctor) Rather he was concerned about Science being corrupted via money and politics. You do not need to be a Scientist to hold, argue and study this position…
3. At the rate the U.N is going…I am sure the church will either withdraw or seek to change from within
[...] for a lot of criticism for a number of seemingly boneheaded comments on everything from abortion to the environment to the Republican Party generally. What people fail to realize, however, is that all these [...]
[...] for a lot of criticism for a number of seemingly boneheaded comments on everything from abortion to the environment to the Republican Party generally. What people fail to realize, however, is that all these [...]