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	<title>Comments on: Is There Nothing Rotten in Denmark?</title>
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		<title>By: DarwinCatholic</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/03/04/is-there-nothing-rotten-in-denmark/#comment-50117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DarwinCatholic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That would all depend on what you mean by &quot;wars&quot;, &quot;screw&quot; and &quot;regular people&quot; now wouldn&#039;t it.

Are you trying to think at all with these comments, Gerald, or is this some sort of absurdist rhetorical performance art where we should leave you to your muse?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would all depend on what you mean by &#8220;wars&#8221;, &#8220;screw&#8221; and &#8220;regular people&#8221; now wouldn&#8217;t it.</p>
<p>Are you trying to think at all with these comments, Gerald, or is this some sort of absurdist rhetorical performance art where we should leave you to your muse?</p>
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		<title>By: blackadderiv</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/03/04/is-there-nothing-rotten-in-denmark/#comment-50116</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Any society has a small group of rotten selfish knaves in charge.&lt;/i&gt;

Not quite. Any society may have a small group of rotten selfish knaves in charge of the government (though I think even this tends to vary). Mercifully, however, in a free society the people in charge of the government are not really in charge, however much they might want to think so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Any society has a small group of rotten selfish knaves in charge.</i></p>
<p>Not quite. Any society may have a small group of rotten selfish knaves in charge of the government (though I think even this tends to vary). Mercifully, however, in a free society the people in charge of the government are not really in charge, however much they might want to think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald A. Naus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/03/04/is-there-nothing-rotten-in-denmark/#comment-50114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald A. Naus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any society has a small group of rotten selfish knaves in charge. The difference between Bush and Obama, e.g., is that the former is insane whereas the latter has a sense of reality and opportunism. Opportunism is good, it&#039;s the true believers a la Bush that ruin everything. In the end, Democratic knaves are less likely to start wars and screw regular people. It should be pretty clear now that Republican policies couldn&#039;t be any more disastrous. Eightballing highrollers with a penchant for war and piety.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any society has a small group of rotten selfish knaves in charge. The difference between Bush and Obama, e.g., is that the former is insane whereas the latter has a sense of reality and opportunism. Opportunism is good, it&#8217;s the true believers a la Bush that ruin everything. In the end, Democratic knaves are less likely to start wars and screw regular people. It should be pretty clear now that Republican policies couldn&#8217;t be any more disastrous. Eightballing highrollers with a penchant for war and piety.</p>
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		<title>By: blackadderiv</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/03/04/is-there-nothing-rotten-in-denmark/#comment-50078</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blackadderiv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;capitalism can only flourish in a society with strong moral principles.&lt;/i&gt;

I would put it a little differently. At whatever the level of virtue of a society, a society is likely to do better if it has largely free markets than if it does not. This, however, is not to say that the flourishing of a society depends a great deal on the virtue of its populace. Capitalism won&#039;t work as well in a society where people are rotten, selfish, knaves as it will in a society of kind, conscientious gentlemen. But if you have a society full of rotten selfish knaves, putting a small group of rotten selfish knaves in charge of everything doesn&#039;t strike me as being a good idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>capitalism can only flourish in a society with strong moral principles.</i></p>
<p>I would put it a little differently. At whatever the level of virtue of a society, a society is likely to do better if it has largely free markets than if it does not. This, however, is not to say that the flourishing of a society depends a great deal on the virtue of its populace. Capitalism won&#8217;t work as well in a society where people are rotten, selfish, knaves as it will in a society of kind, conscientious gentlemen. But if you have a society full of rotten selfish knaves, putting a small group of rotten selfish knaves in charge of everything doesn&#8217;t strike me as being a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald A. Naus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/03/04/is-there-nothing-rotten-in-denmark/#comment-50069</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald A. Naus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;capitalism can only flourish in a society with strong moral principles.&quot;

So, nowhere, in essence. :) 

It should be obvious that safeguards are needed to protect the weaker from the stronger to some degree. Exploitation is the basic human condition, but it can be Euro-style, you get wined and dined first or US-style, where you were &quot;asking for it&quot;. It also should be obvious that people with a gambling problem should not be given free reign over world finance and that a 1:35 ratio belongs at the roulette table.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;capitalism can only flourish in a society with strong moral principles.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, nowhere, in essence. :) </p>
<p>It should be obvious that safeguards are needed to protect the weaker from the stronger to some degree. Exploitation is the basic human condition, but it can be Euro-style, you get wined and dined first or US-style, where you were &#8220;asking for it&#8221;. It also should be obvious that people with a gambling problem should not be given free reign over world finance and that a 1:35 ratio belongs at the roulette table.</p>
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		<title>By: blackadderiv</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/03/04/is-there-nothing-rotten-in-denmark/#comment-50056</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, the racial homogeneity issue occurred to me when I read Sumner&#039;s piece as well. The interesting thing is that, if Sumner is right, then a lack of racial homogeneity within a country not only makes it harder to set up or expand a welfare state, but also makes it harder to reduce or dismantle one once established.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the racial homogeneity issue occurred to me when I read Sumner&#8217;s piece as well. The interesting thing is that, if Sumner is right, then a lack of racial homogeneity within a country not only makes it harder to set up or expand a welfare state, but also makes it harder to reduce or dismantle one once established.</p>
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		<title>By: DarwinCatholic</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/03/04/is-there-nothing-rotten-in-denmark/#comment-50054</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating article.  

If I&#039;m taking him correctly, it would seem that he&#039;s arguing that the same cultural instincts result in people being both unwilling to take unfair advantage of government social programs and also unwilling to pursue business policies which result in those at the very top of the pyramid making off with a disproportionate share of the wealth created.  It&#039;s this sense of general responsibility and fair dealing which results in both generous social programs and very free markets being embraced.

I find that pretty convincing, and also a laudable end state.  Though I can&#039;t help feeling that such a culture is probably a hard thing to attain if you don&#039;t have it already -- and potentially also is rather fragile.

It would seem to reenforce the Robert Novack observation that capitalism can only flourish in a society with strong moral principles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating article.  </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m taking him correctly, it would seem that he&#8217;s arguing that the same cultural instincts result in people being both unwilling to take unfair advantage of government social programs and also unwilling to pursue business policies which result in those at the very top of the pyramid making off with a disproportionate share of the wealth created.  It&#8217;s this sense of general responsibility and fair dealing which results in both generous social programs and very free markets being embraced.</p>
<p>I find that pretty convincing, and also a laudable end state.  Though I can&#8217;t help feeling that such a culture is probably a hard thing to attain if you don&#8217;t have it already &#8212; and potentially also is rather fragile.</p>
<p>It would seem to reenforce the Robert Novack observation that capitalism can only flourish in a society with strong moral principles.</p>
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		<title>By: Morning's Minion</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/03/04/is-there-nothing-rotten-in-denmark/#comment-50052</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here: http://vox-nova.com/2007/06/19/the-welfare-state-right-and-wrong-reasons/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here: <a href="http://vox-nova.com/2007/06/19/the-welfare-state-right-and-wrong-reasons/" rel="nofollow">http://vox-nova.com/2007/06/19/the-welfare-state-right-and-wrong-reasons/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gerald A. Naus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/03/04/is-there-nothing-rotten-in-denmark/#comment-50050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald A. Naus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is capitalism without capital, say those 1:35 deals, even capitalism, btw ? Shouldn&#039;t that be relegated to Atlantic City ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is capitalism without capital, say those 1:35 deals, even capitalism, btw ? Shouldn&#8217;t that be relegated to Atlantic City ?</p>
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		<title>By: blackadderiv</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/03/04/is-there-nothing-rotten-in-denmark/#comment-50044</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blackadderiv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I’m just glad the US doesn’t have statist economic policies. Boy, we’d be in trouble now &lt;/i&gt;

Well, the US does have statist economic policies, though admittedly they &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/02/score-one-for-unfettered-capitalism.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;could&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/02/22/the-us-didnt-cause-the-world-recession/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;be&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://econlog.econlib.org//archives/2008/10/the_internation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;worse&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m just glad the US doesn’t have statist economic policies. Boy, we’d be in trouble now </i></p>
<p>Well, the US does have statist economic policies, though admittedly they <a href="http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/02/score-one-for-unfettered-capitalism.html" rel="nofollow">could</a> <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/02/22/the-us-didnt-cause-the-world-recession/" rel="nofollow">be</a> <a href="http://econlog.econlib.org//archives/2008/10/the_internation.html" rel="nofollow">worse</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Br. Matthew Augustine Miller, OP</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/03/04/is-there-nothing-rotten-in-denmark/#comment-50042</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Br. Matthew Augustine Miller, OP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Consider my interest piqued. Thanks for the link BA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider my interest piqued. Thanks for the link BA.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald A. Naus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/03/04/is-there-nothing-rotten-in-denmark/#comment-50041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald A. Naus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now I know who you remind me of, Blackadder! The chopped-up Monty Python knight yelling &quot;It&#039;s only a flesh wound!&quot; :) God rest ye merry, gentleman, the USA will never stop screwing regular people, so your worries are baseless =o) Eventually people, and I use the term loosely, will vote back in Republicans and pillage and plunder will have a renaissance. If not Sarah Palin, than Trigg or Track, heck maybe Joe the Plumber.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I know who you remind me of, Blackadder! The chopped-up Monty Python knight yelling &#8220;It&#8217;s only a flesh wound!&#8221; :) God rest ye merry, gentleman, the USA will never stop screwing regular people, so your worries are baseless =o) Eventually people, and I use the term loosely, will vote back in Republicans and pillage and plunder will have a renaissance. If not Sarah Palin, than Trigg or Track, heck maybe Joe the Plumber.</p>
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