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  1. jonathanjones02 permalink
    March 4, 2009 5:25 pm

    Somewhat related and just released to the world – Allan Bloom’s thesis!

    http://www.archive.org/details/AllanBloom-ThePoliticalPhilosophyOfIsocratesPh.d.Dissertation

  2. March 4, 2009 10:24 pm

    jonathan – AWESOME – thanks so much for the link to Bloom’s thesis.

    I like your post, too, although I’m often left wondering what to do. This problem of community, oddly enough, is not a political problem. Or at least I don’t think it is at root.

    I think the first step is to throw away our televisions. Second, we should try to start our own communities. My fiance and I are looking to start a book club! It’s not much but you have to start somewhere, I suppose.

    Also a somewhat related aside – Have you heard Anthony Esolen’s talk on culture he did for ISI? It starts slow but it’s one of the most phenomenal lectures I’ve heard on the subjects of culture and community.

  3. March 5, 2009 8:23 am

    Rome and sermons needs to take a stand on the details of family and not just the generalities.
    We’re choking on platitudes in some homilies. Children moving far away from parents is never addressed by the Church because it is sometimes necessary (the poor). But the Church should take a stand on such moves when they are not necessary (often the affluent). A woman I know in Taiwan spent tons of money sending two children to the Ivy League and now one lives in Paris and the other in London. Duh….maybe earning high salary in Taiwan rather than an astronomical salary in Paris would be kinder to the feelings of parents and their hopes to see grandchildren each week of their late years. She’ll probably know her grandchildren someday through the internet video and several holidays a year.
    Years ago the media reported on how elderly people in Japan rented on weekends previously unknown Japanese young families to visit them because of such cases as I just noted of children far away. It remains the saddest article I’ve read in a magazine.

  4. M.Z. permalink
    March 5, 2009 8:55 am

    Our biggest domestic problem, the alarmingly high rate of illegitimacy,

    I would tend to agree with this. It may not be my number 1, but it ranks up there. In relation to Bill Bannon’s comment, there should almost be a sub-category of illegitimacy noting the alienation from the larger family. Well, I guess we do have the word tramp for that, but the word is often used in a different sense. Being a nation of tramps or transients isn’t the healthest thing in the world either. I’m not sure to the extent it is romanticized in other cultures, but our culture seems to particularly romanticize it, think the Old West and homesteading.

  5. jonathanjones02 permalink
    March 5, 2009 9:27 am

    Zach,

    Thanks for the link. ISI puts out a lot of fantastic material. American Conservatism: An Encyclopedia and Arguing Conservatism and The Essential Russell Kirk and the Sol Reader are unbelievable resources – all published in the last two years.

    I like your post, too, although I’m often left wondering what to do. This problem of community, oddly enough, is not a political problem. Or at least I don’t think it is at root.

    Yes, I agree. Culture is “more important” than politics, and culture begins at home. The breakdown of the two parent family with extended relatives close is the foundation of a lot of good and a lot of bad. But can that exist in a modern, liberal democracy? Probably not. Trade-offs everywhere – my second favorite “conservative insight” after there are no lost causes because there are no gained causes (T.S. Eliot).

    I think the first step is to throw away our televisions. Second, we should try to start our own communities. My fiance and I are looking to start a book club! It’s not much but you have to start somewhere, I suppose.

    Agreed! And good luck with the club. One great thing about the Internet is the facilitation of personal connections, which must be done in person I think to be lasting and fulfilling.

  6. jonathanjones02 permalink
    March 5, 2009 10:37 am

    BTW, Spengler three months ago highlighted this quote from the Holy Father:

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JL09Dj02.html

    It is becoming an increasingly obvious fact of economic history that the development of economic systems which concentrate on the common good depends on a determinate ethical system, which in turn can be born and sustained only by strong religious convictions. Conversely, it has also become obvious that the decline of such discipline can actually cause the laws of the market to collapse. An economic policy that is ordered not only to the good of the group – indeed, not only to the common good of a determinate state – but to the common good of the family of man demands a maximum of ethical discipline and thus a maximum of religious strength.

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