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		<title>By: DarwinCatholic</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/02/18/ideology-prudence-and-economic-crisis/#comment-49272</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DarwinCatholic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That doesn&#039;t answer the question I was asking, though...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That doesn&#8217;t answer the question I was asking, though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Talbot</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/02/18/ideology-prudence-and-economic-crisis/#comment-49266</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Talbot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DC - It would be better to have an economy where gains were shared a lot more equitably than they have been the last 30 years, better to have an economy where rises in productivity were translated into higher paychecks for workers at large, and not into helipads for their bosses&#039; bosses&#039; bosses&#039; yachts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC &#8211; It would be better to have an economy where gains were shared a lot more equitably than they have been the last 30 years, better to have an economy where rises in productivity were translated into higher paychecks for workers at large, and not into helipads for their bosses&#8217; bosses&#8217; bosses&#8217; yachts.</p>
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		<title>By: DarwinCatholic</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/02/18/ideology-prudence-and-economic-crisis/#comment-49255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DarwinCatholic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The people raking in all the benefits of increases in productivity the last 30 years or so would love it if every stopped complaining about it, yes.&lt;/i&gt;

I suppose there is a sort of Roschart Test element to these sorts of questions.  How about this:

Would it be better to have an economy in which everyone enjoyed 1% growth, or one in which the bottom 25% enjoyed 1% growth while the top 25% enjoyed 5% growth?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The people raking in all the benefits of increases in productivity the last 30 years or so would love it if every stopped complaining about it, yes.</i></p>
<p>I suppose there is a sort of Roschart Test element to these sorts of questions.  How about this:</p>
<p>Would it be better to have an economy in which everyone enjoyed 1% growth, or one in which the bottom 25% enjoyed 1% growth while the top 25% enjoyed 5% growth?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Talbot</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/02/18/ideology-prudence-and-economic-crisis/#comment-49202</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Talbot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Seems if people were more satisfied with what they have, rather than looking at what the other guy is getting, we would also be better off.&lt;/i&gt;

The people raking in all the benefits of increases in productivity the last 30 years or so would love it if every stopped complaining about it, yes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Seems if people were more satisfied with what they have, rather than looking at what the other guy is getting, we would also be better off.</i></p>
<p>The people raking in all the benefits of increases in productivity the last 30 years or so would love it if every stopped complaining about it, yes.</p>
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		<title>By: c matt</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/02/18/ideology-prudence-and-economic-crisis/#comment-49185</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the Euro health care thing - another difference in cost (reflected in pay scales of Drs.) is that the US strictly rations the number of physicians allowed to practice.  Not saying that&#039;s better or worse, but it has a direct impact on cost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Euro health care thing &#8211; another difference in cost (reflected in pay scales of Drs.) is that the US strictly rations the number of physicians allowed to practice.  Not saying that&#8217;s better or worse, but it has a direct impact on cost.</p>
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		<title>By: c matt</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/02/18/ideology-prudence-and-economic-crisis/#comment-49183</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[c matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I would prefer 1% growth shared rather than 5-10% that goes to the wealthiest&quot;

If 1% is shared, and the remaining 4-9% go to the wealthiest, would you then be happy?

That brings to mind the parable of the vineyard where the later workers get paid the same as the earlier ones, and the earlier ones grouse about it.  Seems if people were more satisfied with what they have, rather than looking at what the other guy is getting, we would also be better off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would prefer 1% growth shared rather than 5-10% that goes to the wealthiest&#8221;</p>
<p>If 1% is shared, and the remaining 4-9% go to the wealthiest, would you then be happy?</p>
<p>That brings to mind the parable of the vineyard where the later workers get paid the same as the earlier ones, and the earlier ones grouse about it.  Seems if people were more satisfied with what they have, rather than looking at what the other guy is getting, we would also be better off.</p>
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		<title>By: c matt</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/02/18/ideology-prudence-and-economic-crisis/#comment-49181</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[c matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I read the opening line, I thought MM was referring to Obama.  My mistake.

As for tmeporary nationalization of the banking system, I don&#039;t know the purely economic virtues of such a move, but it seems to me one thing foreign investors have liked about the US is the fact it has rarely nationalized segments of the economy.  One of the big risk factors of foreign investment is seeing your investment taken over by the gov&#039;t.  What would such a move do to confidence in investing in the US?  What industry would be the next for &quot;temporary nationalization&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read the opening line, I thought MM was referring to Obama.  My mistake.</p>
<p>As for tmeporary nationalization of the banking system, I don&#8217;t know the purely economic virtues of such a move, but it seems to me one thing foreign investors have liked about the US is the fact it has rarely nationalized segments of the economy.  One of the big risk factors of foreign investment is seeing your investment taken over by the gov&#8217;t.  What would such a move do to confidence in investing in the US?  What industry would be the next for &#8220;temporary nationalization&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: S.B.</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/02/18/ideology-prudence-and-economic-crisis/#comment-49180</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S.B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, just thinking logically.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, just thinking logically.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Talbot</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/02/18/ideology-prudence-and-economic-crisis/#comment-49172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Talbot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Therefore we really would be better off (in a spiritual sense) if we could abolish grocery stores, the modern health care system, cars, computers, manufactured clothing and furniture, etc., and go back to a world in which everyone was really poor.&lt;/i&gt;

Man, Straw, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Therefore we really would be better off (in a spiritual sense) if we could abolish grocery stores, the modern health care system, cars, computers, manufactured clothing and furniture, etc., and go back to a world in which everyone was really poor.</i></p>
<p>Man, Straw, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: S.B.</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/02/18/ideology-prudence-and-economic-crisis/#comment-49162</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S.B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Pope JOhn XXIII in Mater et Magistra says that the equitable distrubution of wealth is more important than the accumulation of wealth.&lt;/i&gt;

At face value, this principle would mean that if everyone lived in the poverty typical of several hundred years ago, that would be preferable to today&#039;s society (in which everyone is unimaginably wealthy by comparison, but some people are even wealthier).   Is that what you think?   

I guess there&#039;s a good argument (from Christ&#039;s words) that b/c rich people have a hard time going to heaven, a society that has made so many people so rich isn&#039;t ideal; therefore we really would be better off (in a spiritual sense) if we could abolish grocery stores, the modern health care system, cars, computers, manufactured clothing and furniture, etc., and go back to a world in which everyone was really poor.  I haven&#039;t seen you or anyone else around here making that argument, however.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Pope JOhn XXIII in Mater et Magistra says that the equitable distrubution of wealth is more important than the accumulation of wealth.</i></p>
<p>At face value, this principle would mean that if everyone lived in the poverty typical of several hundred years ago, that would be preferable to today&#8217;s society (in which everyone is unimaginably wealthy by comparison, but some people are even wealthier).   Is that what you think?   </p>
<p>I guess there&#8217;s a good argument (from Christ&#8217;s words) that b/c rich people have a hard time going to heaven, a society that has made so many people so rich isn&#8217;t ideal; therefore we really would be better off (in a spiritual sense) if we could abolish grocery stores, the modern health care system, cars, computers, manufactured clothing and furniture, etc., and go back to a world in which everyone was really poor.  I haven&#8217;t seen you or anyone else around here making that argument, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Burgwald</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/02/18/ideology-prudence-and-economic-crisis/#comment-49151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Burgwald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MM, re: Taleb, last week he and Roubini were on CNBC... Rod Dreher &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2009/02/economic-apocalypse-they-want.html#more&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;drew&lt;/a&gt; my attention to the online clip of their appearance... it&#039;s... interesting. (The link is to Dreher&#039;s post -- whose comments strike me as apropos -- and the link to the clip is in it.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM, re: Taleb, last week he and Roubini were on CNBC&#8230; Rod Dreher <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2009/02/economic-apocalypse-they-want.html#more" rel="nofollow">drew</a> my attention to the online clip of their appearance&#8230; it&#8217;s&#8230; interesting. (The link is to Dreher&#8217;s post &#8212; whose comments strike me as apropos &#8212; and the link to the clip is in it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Morning's Minion</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Morning's Minion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris: I don&#039;t know much about Taleb at all, I&#039;m more familiar with macroeconomists.

That&#039;s a very interesting issue you raise in the last paragraph. Pope JOhn XXIII in Mater et Magistra says that the equitable distrubution of wealth is more important than the accumulation of wealth. Personally, I would rather a growth rate of 1 percent that is shared than a growth rate of 5-10 percent that goes to the wealthiest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris: I don&#8217;t know much about Taleb at all, I&#8217;m more familiar with macroeconomists.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a very interesting issue you raise in the last paragraph. Pope JOhn XXIII in Mater et Magistra says that the equitable distrubution of wealth is more important than the accumulation of wealth. Personally, I would rather a growth rate of 1 percent that is shared than a growth rate of 5-10 percent that goes to the wealthiest.</p>
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