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		<title>By: digbydolben</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/01/02/brief-gaza-commentary/#comment-45767</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BUT, you idiot, you JUST WROTE that I did NOT &quot;plainly&quot; write it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUT, you idiot, you JUST WROTE that I did NOT &#8220;plainly&#8221; write it!</p>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/01/02/brief-gaza-commentary/#comment-45762</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#039;m not trying to &quot;advance&quot; anything.  It&#039;s just frustrating when someone says something reckless, gets called on it, and then hurls accusations of illiteracy simply because I failed to read his mind and figure out that he was thinking something other than what he plainly wrote.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m not trying to &#8220;advance&#8221; anything.  It&#8217;s just frustrating when someone says something reckless, gets called on it, and then hurls accusations of illiteracy simply because I failed to read his mind and figure out that he was thinking something other than what he plainly wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: Magdalena</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/01/02/brief-gaza-commentary/#comment-45757</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Magdalena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[S.B., let it go. This is not advancing the discussion. When you get stuck on a turn of phrase instead of addressing the content of digby&#039;s argument it leaves the impression that you don&#039;t know how to respond to it, which is probably not the case. You gotta show what you know!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S.B., let it go. This is not advancing the discussion. When you get stuck on a turn of phrase instead of addressing the content of digby&#8217;s argument it leaves the impression that you don&#8217;t know how to respond to it, which is probably not the case. You gotta show what you know!</p>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/01/02/brief-gaza-commentary/#comment-45756</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It must be depressing to have such raging emotions as you have, yet to find no outlet for them other than capitalizing words when commenting online.  

Perhaps what you meant to say -- minus the hysterical ranting and petulant namecalling -- was something like this: 

&quot;My German friend said of Dresden, &#039;But I believe we deserved it.&#039;  Of course, he was overstating matters considerably, because it&#039;s never true that civilians deserve to be carpet-bombed.  Still, his comments showed a level of self-reflection, and willingness to admit to his countrymen&#039;s own wrongs, that I wish were more present in Americans.&quot;

If that&#039;s what you meant to write, then you simply need to start thinking and writing more clearly.  Clear writing is a benefit not just to others, but to yourself, because then you wouldn&#039;t be so sorely misunderstood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must be depressing to have such raging emotions as you have, yet to find no outlet for them other than capitalizing words when commenting online.  </p>
<p>Perhaps what you meant to say &#8212; minus the hysterical ranting and petulant namecalling &#8212; was something like this: </p>
<p>&#8220;My German friend said of Dresden, &#8216;But I believe we deserved it.&#8217;  Of course, he was overstating matters considerably, because it&#8217;s never true that civilians deserve to be carpet-bombed.  Still, his comments showed a level of self-reflection, and willingness to admit to his countrymen&#8217;s own wrongs, that I wish were more present in Americans.&#8221;</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s what you meant to write, then you simply need to start thinking and writing more clearly.  Clear writing is a benefit not just to others, but to yourself, because then you wouldn&#8217;t be so sorely misunderstood.</p>
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		<title>By: digbydolben</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/01/02/brief-gaza-commentary/#comment-45754</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[digbydolben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One last time, you moron, SB:

Because one &quot;cannot imagine&quot; an American saying what my German friend says, DOES NOT MEAN that either Germany or America &quot;deserved,&quot; say, the bombing of Dresden or the destruction of the World Trade Centre; it simply means that almost no American would ever PRY INTO THE CONSEQUENCES (i.e. &quot;blowback,&quot; in Ron Paul&#039;s words) of an arrogant and ill-thought-out foreign policy.

And &quot;repentance&quot; IS a characteristic of a &quot;Christian nation,&quot; and it most certainly IS NOT a characteristic of the American South or Southwest (the parts I know best) regarding treatment of, say, Native Americans or African Americans. (That is mostly the operative mode of the more liberal, or better educated part of the country that I presume Magdalena is representative of.)

I stand by my opinion that my German friend&#039;s remark is unusual and remarkable, and by my conclusion, from your sweeping statements, that you are an illiterat moron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last time, you moron, SB:</p>
<p>Because one &#8220;cannot imagine&#8221; an American saying what my German friend says, DOES NOT MEAN that either Germany or America &#8220;deserved,&#8221; say, the bombing of Dresden or the destruction of the World Trade Centre; it simply means that almost no American would ever PRY INTO THE CONSEQUENCES (i.e. &#8220;blowback,&#8221; in Ron Paul&#8217;s words) of an arrogant and ill-thought-out foreign policy.</p>
<p>And &#8220;repentance&#8221; IS a characteristic of a &#8220;Christian nation,&#8221; and it most certainly IS NOT a characteristic of the American South or Southwest (the parts I know best) regarding treatment of, say, Native Americans or African Americans. (That is mostly the operative mode of the more liberal, or better educated part of the country that I presume Magdalena is representative of.)</p>
<p>I stand by my opinion that my German friend&#8217;s remark is unusual and remarkable, and by my conclusion, from your sweeping statements, that you are an illiterat moron.</p>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think digby&#039;s hysterical ranting and namecalling speaks for itself.  

Obviously digby&#039;s comment ridiculed Americans for refusing to say, like the quoted German, that we &quot;DESERVED&quot; 9/11.  After quoting the &quot;DESERVED&quot; statement, digby says: &lt;blockquote&gt;Can you, in your wildest imaginings, EVER imagine an American saying that about, say, our defeats in Vietnam, or–even more unbelieveably–about the “blowback” that came at the U.S. (I’m only quoting Ron Paul–a “conservative,” remember!) in the form of the Twin Towers’ bombing?

Not in the part of America that I just left, you couldn’t. As MM correctly observes, time and time again, America is NOT an orthodox Christian nation, because most Americans (unlike Catholics, one hopes) can have no sense of REPENTANCE for anything done by the nation; in the mythic national narrative, she has always been on the side of GOD.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;So not only was digby ridiculing Americans, he was saying that our refusal to admit that we &quot;DESERVED&quot; 9/11 proved that we&#039;re not an &quot;orthodox Christian nation.&quot;  

In light of that stunning accusation, it&#039;s quite idi0tic for digby now to pretend that everyone should have read him to be saying that &quot;NOBODY deserves&quot; to die in such attacks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think digby&#8217;s hysterical ranting and namecalling speaks for itself.  </p>
<p>Obviously digby&#8217;s comment ridiculed Americans for refusing to say, like the quoted German, that we &#8220;DESERVED&#8221; 9/11.  After quoting the &#8220;DESERVED&#8221; statement, digby says:<br />
<blockquote>Can you, in your wildest imaginings, EVER imagine an American saying that about, say, our defeats in Vietnam, or–even more unbelieveably–about the “blowback” that came at the U.S. (I’m only quoting Ron Paul–a “conservative,” remember!) in the form of the Twin Towers’ bombing?</p>
<p>Not in the part of America that I just left, you couldn’t. As MM correctly observes, time and time again, America is NOT an orthodox Christian nation, because most Americans (unlike Catholics, one hopes) can have no sense of REPENTANCE for anything done by the nation; in the mythic national narrative, she has always been on the side of GOD.
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<p>So not only was digby ridiculing Americans, he was saying that our refusal to admit that we &#8220;DESERVED&#8221; 9/11 proved that we&#8217;re not an &#8220;orthodox Christian nation.&#8221;  </p>
<p>In light of that stunning accusation, it&#8217;s quite idi0tic for digby now to pretend that everyone should have read him to be saying that &#8220;NOBODY deserves&#8221; to die in such attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: grega</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/01/02/brief-gaza-commentary/#comment-45752</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stay calm digbydolben  - in my view there is no such thing as a enlightened segment of any society/nation. Yes there are plenty of people that share the point of view that you, me and perhaps half of humankind gravitate towards - folks who happen to not share our point of view are not necessarly idiots nor brainless. I do not know the history between your little infighting with SB but the silly name calling will not do the trick. If you are half as smart as I think you are you must understand that SB very much represents a significant opinion certainly within the american society .
I am German and yes certainly if one wishes one can find the opinion that your german friend shared with you - in my opinion if you desire to dig a bit deeper you can easily see a bunch of not so great human desires that play into your german friends viewpoint. Certainly your friends mea culpa sounds rather hollow if he in the same breath strings together a bunch of unrelated historical grievances to mitigate the blow to his fine german soul.  

In my opinion we have to fight an terrorist organization like the Hamas just like free Nations faught  Nazi Germany and totalitarian Japan.
The type of religious motivated intollerance that Hamas and likeminded organizations propagate should have no future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stay calm digbydolben  &#8211; in my view there is no such thing as a enlightened segment of any society/nation. Yes there are plenty of people that share the point of view that you, me and perhaps half of humankind gravitate towards &#8211; folks who happen to not share our point of view are not necessarly idiots nor brainless. I do not know the history between your little infighting with SB but the silly name calling will not do the trick. If you are half as smart as I think you are you must understand that SB very much represents a significant opinion certainly within the american society .<br />
I am German and yes certainly if one wishes one can find the opinion that your german friend shared with you &#8211; in my opinion if you desire to dig a bit deeper you can easily see a bunch of not so great human desires that play into your german friends viewpoint. Certainly your friends mea culpa sounds rather hollow if he in the same breath strings together a bunch of unrelated historical grievances to mitigate the blow to his fine german soul.  </p>
<p>In my opinion we have to fight an terrorist organization like the Hamas just like free Nations faught  Nazi Germany and totalitarian Japan.<br />
The type of religious motivated intollerance that Hamas and likeminded organizations propagate should have no future.</p>
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		<title>By: digbydolben</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/01/02/brief-gaza-commentary/#comment-45742</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[digbydolben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You utter idiot, SB!

I said that MY GERMAN FRIEND said &quot;We deserved it,&quot; and I said that you&#039;d never hear American making such a statement about any deplorable thing their country had done. Magdalena suggested (correctly, I guess) that my second statement was an exaggeration, that SOME American HAVE noted such American misdeeds as the genocide of Native Americans, but, that, I believe, is coloured by her experience living among a far more enlightened and better educated segment of the American population than I did, for so many years--but I&#039;ll grant HER point--not yours.

YOU, as opposed to her, have become so brainwashed, so cretinous (probably as a result of listening to Right Wing &quot;attack radio&quot; for half of your life) that you believe that an OBSERVATION of something unusual or remarkable is an ENDORSEMENT of it. I think you&#039;re a true brainless wonder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You utter idiot, SB!</p>
<p>I said that MY GERMAN FRIEND said &#8220;We deserved it,&#8221; and I said that you&#8217;d never hear American making such a statement about any deplorable thing their country had done. Magdalena suggested (correctly, I guess) that my second statement was an exaggeration, that SOME American HAVE noted such American misdeeds as the genocide of Native Americans, but, that, I believe, is coloured by her experience living among a far more enlightened and better educated segment of the American population than I did, for so many years&#8211;but I&#8217;ll grant HER point&#8211;not yours.</p>
<p>YOU, as opposed to her, have become so brainwashed, so cretinous (probably as a result of listening to Right Wing &#8220;attack radio&#8221; for half of your life) that you believe that an OBSERVATION of something unusual or remarkable is an ENDORSEMENT of it. I think you&#8217;re a true brainless wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/01/02/brief-gaza-commentary/#comment-45724</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And more to the point: It is absolutely false that I&#039;m &quot;accused&quot; of &quot;this very thing several times a week.&quot;  I am simply not accused, several times a week, of switching 180 degrees from something that I had written in plain English.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And more to the point: It is absolutely false that I&#8217;m &#8220;accused&#8221; of &#8220;this very thing several times a week.&#8221;  I am simply not accused, several times a week, of switching 180 degrees from something that I had written in plain English.</p>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s not even arguably true: I have never done anything (let alone several times a week) even remotely comparable to what digby is doing, namely, writing a very specific word, and then claiming that I wrote the opposite and calling anyone who directly quotes me &quot;illiterate.&quot;   Why are you telling such a blatant untruth?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not even arguably true: I have never done anything (let alone several times a week) even remotely comparable to what digby is doing, namely, writing a very specific word, and then claiming that I wrote the opposite and calling anyone who directly quotes me &#8220;illiterate.&#8221;   Why are you telling such a blatant untruth?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2009/01/02/brief-gaza-commentary/#comment-45712</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;It’s understandable that you now wish to pretend you had written something else, but you didn’t. The least you could do is just say that you misspoke. It’s a fool’s part to blame other people for correctly reading the words that you wrote.&lt;/I&gt;

And yet you seem to be accused of this very thing several times a week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s understandable that you now wish to pretend you had written something else, but you didn’t. The least you could do is just say that you misspoke. It’s a fool’s part to blame other people for correctly reading the words that you wrote.</i></p>
<p>And yet you seem to be accused of this very thing several times a week.</p>
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		<title>By: S.B.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S.B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;He didn’t merely “disagree”; he DELIBERATELY mis-interpreted what I wrote, and you know it!&lt;/i&gt;

How utterly silly.  What I said wasn&#039;t a misinterpretation at all, let alone a deliberate misinterpretation.  You approvingly quoted a German who said that his country &quot;DESERVED&quot; civilian bombings, and then reproached Americans for not saying the same, which would necessarily mean saying that we &quot;DESERVED&quot; 9/11.   I interpreted this to mean that you were speaking of whether America &quot;DESERVED&quot; 9/11.  

It&#039;s understandable that you now wish to pretend you had written something else, but you didn&#039;t.  The least you could do  is just say that you misspoke.  It&#039;s a fool&#039;s part to blame other people for correctly reading the words that you wrote.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He didn’t merely “disagree”; he DELIBERATELY mis-interpreted what I wrote, and you know it!</i></p>
<p>How utterly silly.  What I said wasn&#8217;t a misinterpretation at all, let alone a deliberate misinterpretation.  You approvingly quoted a German who said that his country &#8220;DESERVED&#8221; civilian bombings, and then reproached Americans for not saying the same, which would necessarily mean saying that we &#8220;DESERVED&#8221; 9/11.   I interpreted this to mean that you were speaking of whether America &#8220;DESERVED&#8221; 9/11.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s understandable that you now wish to pretend you had written something else, but you didn&#8217;t.  The least you could do  is just say that you misspoke.  It&#8217;s a fool&#8217;s part to blame other people for correctly reading the words that you wrote.</p>
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