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	<title>Comments on: Stop the Presses: I&#8217;m Going to Say Something Nice About John McCain!</title>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/09/04/stop-the-presses-im-going-to-say-something-nice-about-john-mccain/#comment-36024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;There is also the life experience of understanding that there exists evil in this world that can’t be negotiated with, and can only be killed. Someone who has looked that evil in the eye is much more prepared to lead our military than “community organizer”.&lt;/I&gt;

Of course, the &quot;evil people&quot; that McCain &quot;looked in the eye&quot; were human beings that he was just previously trying to bomb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There is also the life experience of understanding that there exists evil in this world that can’t be negotiated with, and can only be killed. Someone who has looked that evil in the eye is much more prepared to lead our military than “community organizer”.</i></p>
<p>Of course, the &#8220;evil people&#8221; that McCain &#8220;looked in the eye&#8221; were human beings that he was just previously trying to bomb.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I think there is a misperception regarding those who serve in the military as warmongers. Although there may be a GI Joe type here and there, there is something very deep and noble motivating many who join up…&lt;/i&gt;

little gal, 

There is also the life experience of understanding that there exists evil in this world that can&#039;t be negotiated with, and can only be killed.  Someone who has looked that evil in the eye is much more prepared to lead our military than &quot;community organizer&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think there is a misperception regarding those who serve in the military as warmongers. Although there may be a GI Joe type here and there, there is something very deep and noble motivating many who join up…</i></p>
<p>little gal, </p>
<p>There is also the life experience of understanding that there exists evil in this world that can&#8217;t be negotiated with, and can only be killed.  Someone who has looked that evil in the eye is much more prepared to lead our military than &#8220;community organizer&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: little gal</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/09/04/stop-the-presses-im-going-to-say-something-nice-about-john-mccain/#comment-35983</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[little gal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark:

You mustn&#039;t know too many people who work on the front line in human services, because we all see/say the same thing.  Oh and I&#039;m not talking about someone who works as a community organizer for a year or two and then runs for public office...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:</p>
<p>You mustn&#8217;t know too many people who work on the front line in human services, because we all see/say the same thing.  Oh and I&#8217;m not talking about someone who works as a community organizer for a year or two and then runs for public office&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark DeFrancisis</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/09/04/stop-the-presses-im-going-to-say-something-nice-about-john-mccain/#comment-35949</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark DeFrancisis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[little gal,

&quot;It’s one thing to provide care for those who truly need assistance, but big brother “great Society’ government hands out food stamps, healthcare, housing, etc to many able bodied people who do nothing but sit on their dupas…except of course to make more babies, but I guess this involves laying on one’s dupa.&quot; 

I can just imagine the love you exude in your work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>little gal,</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s one thing to provide care for those who truly need assistance, but big brother “great Society’ government hands out food stamps, healthcare, housing, etc to many able bodied people who do nothing but sit on their dupas…except of course to make more babies, but I guess this involves laying on one’s dupa.&#8221; </p>
<p>I can just imagine the love you exude in your work.</p>
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		<title>By: Lioren</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lioren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The option for the poor cannot be reduced to a single action.&quot; nor can it be reduced to programs and &#039;intentions&#039; that inherently violate the natural dignity and freedom of the poor, fostering the previously mentioned sense of entitlement.
The p/oor are claimed by the Democratic Party. They profess noble &#039;intentions&#039; to distract from the , horrific results, The greed and the exploitation of the poor that is directly attributable to democrat policies. 
I regard Sharpton and Jackson as the true &quot;Uncle Toms&quot; who extort allegiance to the democrat landowner. They distract the poor from recognizing that they are now enslaved by their manipulative &#039;advocates&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The option for the poor cannot be reduced to a single action.&#8221; nor can it be reduced to programs and &#8216;intentions&#8217; that inherently violate the natural dignity and freedom of the poor, fostering the previously mentioned sense of entitlement.<br />
The p/oor are claimed by the Democratic Party. They profess noble &#8216;intentions&#8217; to distract from the , horrific results, The greed and the exploitation of the poor that is directly attributable to democrat policies.<br />
I regard Sharpton and Jackson as the true &#8220;Uncle Toms&#8221; who extort allegiance to the democrat landowner. They distract the poor from recognizing that they are now enslaved by their manipulative &#8216;advocates&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: little gal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[little gal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Donna:

I agree very much with what you say...I also think that because of McCain&#039;s position on the war in Iraq that he feels (or was coached) to talk about his experience.  I think there is a misperception regarding those who serve in the military as warmongers.  Although there may be a GI Joe type here and there, there is something very deep and noble motivating many who join up...

In a parish not far from where I grew up, there are many firemen and policemen.  Very many of the sons of these men join up after highschool because they have been raised in the tradition of service; military service is seen as an obligation, a giving to one&#039;s country.  The pastor was affected so much by this that he became a military chaplian and is doing his third tour  in Iraq. He is not the only priest in my diocese who has joined the military chapliancy.  

There was a point in McCain&#039;s speech when he was talking about his love of country and how he learned this during his captivity.  His eyes became misty and I thought what a rare moment and priviledge it was to see this. 

MarK:

As someone who has been a social worker for many years, I will tell you that the entitlement and other assisatance programs that the government provides is crippling people.  They develop a sense of entitlement and demand more and more, while they make no effort and no changes.  It&#039;s one thing to provide care for those who truly need assistance, but big brother &quot;great Society&#039; government hands out food stamps, healthcare, housing, etc to many able bodied people who do nothing but sit on their dupas...except of course to make more babies, but I guess this involves laying on one&#039;s dupa. There&#039;s a big difference between government providing a safety net and a permanent dole. Our federal social service programs need an overhaul.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna:</p>
<p>I agree very much with what you say&#8230;I also think that because of McCain&#8217;s position on the war in Iraq that he feels (or was coached) to talk about his experience.  I think there is a misperception regarding those who serve in the military as warmongers.  Although there may be a GI Joe type here and there, there is something very deep and noble motivating many who join up&#8230;</p>
<p>In a parish not far from where I grew up, there are many firemen and policemen.  Very many of the sons of these men join up after highschool because they have been raised in the tradition of service; military service is seen as an obligation, a giving to one&#8217;s country.  The pastor was affected so much by this that he became a military chaplian and is doing his third tour  in Iraq. He is not the only priest in my diocese who has joined the military chapliancy.  </p>
<p>There was a point in McCain&#8217;s speech when he was talking about his love of country and how he learned this during his captivity.  His eyes became misty and I thought what a rare moment and priviledge it was to see this. </p>
<p>MarK:</p>
<p>As someone who has been a social worker for many years, I will tell you that the entitlement and other assisatance programs that the government provides is crippling people.  They develop a sense of entitlement and demand more and more, while they make no effort and no changes.  It&#8217;s one thing to provide care for those who truly need assistance, but big brother &#8220;great Society&#8217; government hands out food stamps, healthcare, housing, etc to many able bodied people who do nothing but sit on their dupas&#8230;except of course to make more babies, but I guess this involves laying on one&#8217;s dupa. There&#8217;s a big difference between government providing a safety net and a permanent dole. Our federal social service programs need an overhaul.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark DeFrancisis</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes; if you don&#039;t want government to take away individual involvement, self-initiative and personal dignity, but still want to contribute to and serve the broader community, do what you, at  local, state or even national levels--inside or outside government service.

Is that right, Donna?

Oh, I forgot. Just don&#039;t become a community organizer! ;) You&#039;ll get the flesh-clawing of the Barracuda....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes; if you don&#8217;t want government to take away individual involvement, self-initiative and personal dignity, but still want to contribute to and serve the broader community, do what you, at  local, state or even national levels&#8211;inside or outside government service.</p>
<p>Is that right, Donna?</p>
<p>Oh, I forgot. Just don&#8217;t become a community organizer! ;) You&#8217;ll get the flesh-clawing of the Barracuda&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not a military brat, but I have many vets in my extended family and I have known others through the years.  Most were very reluctant to talk about their war experiences.  A friend of mine, who died a few years ago, was awarded the Bronze Star for his service in Vietnam.  I never heard about it until I attended his funeral.  The loud-mouths acting macho in bars and telling eveyone they meet that they were a Green Beret or a sniper or special ops are usually fakers.  The men and women who really know war don&#039;t talk about it much.   I think if McCain wasn&#039;t a politican he wouldn&#039;t say so much about it -as a pol, he recognizes that it&#039;s a compelling story and a plus and he uses it, but I always sense that part of it goes against his instinct and pre-Oprah upbringing.  Maybe I&#039;m being partisan or naive, or just thinking of the vets I know who keep their experiences very private.

One thing, I do know is that all the combat vets I have known hate war.   Why wouldn&#039;t they?  They&#039;ve suffered much more from it than any of us have. Good Lord, I&#039;ve never seen a friend of mine ripped to shreds by a bomb and I&#039;ve never had to shoot anyone. I thought much of McCain&#039;s speech was a zzzzzzz, up until the end.  When he made the simple statement, &quot;I hate war&quot; I believed him.  He&#039;s not a pacifist, certainly, but this cartoonish picture of him as a bloodthirsty warmonger is something I&#039;ve never bought into.   

McCain&#039;s heart came out at the end, when he called people to serve.  Not just in the military (he considers it  a honorable thing to do, which I know many VN people do not), he also called on people to enter government and make it better, to help an illiterate adult to learn to read.  In other words, don&#039;t wait for the government to help you, get up off your butt and make the world better yourself.  

I am fundamentally at odds with the Dems because they encourage a victim mentality, which leads to a sense of entitlement.  Last night,  McCain was calling on us to go out and do things themselves and help others themselves - to fight, and not just with an M16.  I found myself  quite touched watching the old guy, which is the last thing one expects from a McCain speech.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a military brat, but I have many vets in my extended family and I have known others through the years.  Most were very reluctant to talk about their war experiences.  A friend of mine, who died a few years ago, was awarded the Bronze Star for his service in Vietnam.  I never heard about it until I attended his funeral.  The loud-mouths acting macho in bars and telling eveyone they meet that they were a Green Beret or a sniper or special ops are usually fakers.  The men and women who really know war don&#8217;t talk about it much.   I think if McCain wasn&#8217;t a politican he wouldn&#8217;t say so much about it -as a pol, he recognizes that it&#8217;s a compelling story and a plus and he uses it, but I always sense that part of it goes against his instinct and pre-Oprah upbringing.  Maybe I&#8217;m being partisan or naive, or just thinking of the vets I know who keep their experiences very private.</p>
<p>One thing, I do know is that all the combat vets I have known hate war.   Why wouldn&#8217;t they?  They&#8217;ve suffered much more from it than any of us have. Good Lord, I&#8217;ve never seen a friend of mine ripped to shreds by a bomb and I&#8217;ve never had to shoot anyone. I thought much of McCain&#8217;s speech was a zzzzzzz, up until the end.  When he made the simple statement, &#8220;I hate war&#8221; I believed him.  He&#8217;s not a pacifist, certainly, but this cartoonish picture of him as a bloodthirsty warmonger is something I&#8217;ve never bought into.   </p>
<p>McCain&#8217;s heart came out at the end, when he called people to serve.  Not just in the military (he considers it  a honorable thing to do, which I know many VN people do not), he also called on people to enter government and make it better, to help an illiterate adult to learn to read.  In other words, don&#8217;t wait for the government to help you, get up off your butt and make the world better yourself.  </p>
<p>I am fundamentally at odds with the Dems because they encourage a victim mentality, which leads to a sense of entitlement.  Last night,  McCain was calling on us to go out and do things themselves and help others themselves &#8211; to fight, and not just with an M16.  I found myself  quite touched watching the old guy, which is the last thing one expects from a McCain speech.</p>
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		<title>By: S.B.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, if you&#039;re looking for an express statement from Palin that she &quot;opts for the poor,&quot; you won&#039;t find it (I bet).  Nor would you find such a statement from anyone on the ballot.  So I&#039;m not sure how that&#039;s relevant.  If you want to look at specific policy actions, then you have to do so for everyone (including Palin).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you&#8217;re looking for an express statement from Palin that she &#8220;opts for the poor,&#8221; you won&#8217;t find it (I bet).  Nor would you find such a statement from anyone on the ballot.  So I&#8217;m not sure how that&#8217;s relevant.  If you want to look at specific policy actions, then you have to do so for everyone (including Palin).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[S.B. - Yes, it appears to be a good thing, especially as it concerns education. I do not take issue with the specific action you raise for scrutiny. It could certainly be cited as one example that indicates Palin takes the option for the poor seriously. I take issue with you describing it as an example of &quot;doing something for the poor,&quot; which is not what I asked for. The option for the poor cannot be reduced to a single action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S.B. &#8211; Yes, it appears to be a good thing, especially as it concerns education. I do not take issue with the specific action you raise for scrutiny. It could certainly be cited as one example that indicates Palin takes the option for the poor seriously. I take issue with you describing it as an example of &#8220;doing something for the poor,&#8221; which is not what I asked for. The option for the poor cannot be reduced to a single action.</p>
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		<title>By: S.B.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S.B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More evasion; instead of substance, you offer uninformed and irrelevant insults.  

Let&#039;s try again: You asked the other day if there was any evidence that Sarah Palin had ever &quot;opted for the poor.&quot; You seemed to be asking for something specific that Sarah Palin has done, not access to her internal state of mind.  Thus, I offer an example: the education funding reform mentioned above.  Are you simply incapable of ascertaining whether or not that counts as a good thing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More evasion; instead of substance, you offer uninformed and irrelevant insults.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s try again: You asked the other day if there was any evidence that Sarah Palin had ever &#8220;opted for the poor.&#8221; You seemed to be asking for something specific that Sarah Palin has done, not access to her internal state of mind.  Thus, I offer an example: the education funding reform mentioned above.  Are you simply incapable of ascertaining whether or not that counts as a good thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;Semantics and evasion. &lt;/I&gt;

No, it&#039;s not &quot;semantics and evasion.&quot; One major topic of my study is the Church&#039;s teaching on the option for the poor. I know what it means and what it does not mean. It does not mean &quot;doing something for the poor.&quot; It means a certain type of conversion. 

If you will not take the Church&#039;s teaching on the option for the poor seriously, it is clear that you are not able to apply it to the case of Sarah Palin, nor will you be able to provide any evidence that the option for the poor has anything to do with her approach to government. It&#039;s a shame that you seem to want nothing to do with the Church&#039;s teaching, have no desire to understand it, and will not let it challenge your politics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Semantics and evasion. </i></p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not &#8220;semantics and evasion.&#8221; One major topic of my study is the Church&#8217;s teaching on the option for the poor. I know what it means and what it does not mean. It does not mean &#8220;doing something for the poor.&#8221; It means a certain type of conversion. </p>
<p>If you will not take the Church&#8217;s teaching on the option for the poor seriously, it is clear that you are not able to apply it to the case of Sarah Palin, nor will you be able to provide any evidence that the option for the poor has anything to do with her approach to government. It&#8217;s a shame that you seem to want nothing to do with the Church&#8217;s teaching, have no desire to understand it, and will not let it challenge your politics.</p>
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