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		<title>By: love the girls</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/09/04/hope-abides-not-with-biden/#comment-35761</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[love the girls]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate writes : &quot;But of course this does not mean that he favors the legal status quo.&quot;

These indicate that Gerald Campbell does favor the legal status quo because he is arguing to keep the legal status quo.

Gerald Campbell writes: “The question of freedom is not about the freedom to murder. It is about the freedom from government intrusion into the life of the individual.”

http://vox-nova.com/2008/01/28/obama-the-proabort/#comment-10246
Obama, the proabort « Vox Nova

Gerald Campbell&#039;s argument does not advocate killing but does advocate keeping abortion legal which is the status quo.  It&#039;s the &quot;pro-choice&quot; argument, a women should have a legal right to choose to either keep her baby or kill her baby

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Or this where Gerald Campbell defends those with perfect NARAL voting records as being pro-life. They’re just attempting eliminate abortion by different and better means.  A better means which includes keeping the legal status quo.

http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/29/deal-hudson-and-deacon-sambi/#comment-20053
Deal Hudson and Deacon Sambi « Vox Nova]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael J. Iafrate writes : &#8220;But of course this does not mean that he favors the legal status quo.&#8221;</p>
<p>These indicate that Gerald Campbell does favor the legal status quo because he is arguing to keep the legal status quo.</p>
<p>Gerald Campbell writes: “The question of freedom is not about the freedom to murder. It is about the freedom from government intrusion into the life of the individual.”</p>
<p><a href="http://vox-nova.com/2008/01/28/obama-the-proabort/#comment-10246" rel="nofollow">http://vox-nova.com/2008/01/28/obama-the-proabort/#comment-10246</a><br />
Obama, the proabort « Vox Nova</p>
<p>Gerald Campbell&#8217;s argument does not advocate killing but does advocate keeping abortion legal which is the status quo.  It&#8217;s the &#8220;pro-choice&#8221; argument, a women should have a legal right to choose to either keep her baby or kill her baby</p>
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<p>Or this where Gerald Campbell defends those with perfect NARAL voting records as being pro-life. They’re just attempting eliminate abortion by different and better means.  A better means which includes keeping the legal status quo.</p>
<p><a href="http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/29/deal-hudson-and-deacon-sambi/#comment-20053" rel="nofollow">http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/29/deal-hudson-and-deacon-sambi/#comment-20053</a><br />
Deal Hudson and Deacon Sambi « Vox Nova</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/09/04/hope-abides-not-with-biden/#comment-35750</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;He’s even said that pro-lifers are “insane” for trying to change the legal status quo.&lt;/I&gt;

But of course this does not mean that he &lt;I&gt;favors&lt;/I&gt; the legal status quo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He’s even said that pro-lifers are “insane” for trying to change the legal status quo.</i></p>
<p>But of course this does not mean that he <i>favors</i> the legal status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: adamv</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim McCann,

Its rather telling that you automatically accuse me of misquoting Mark Shea.  He gave reasons he thought Palin would work, and I gave reasons she wouldn&#039;t.  That you automatically assume some kind of antipathy is both depressing and a little bit creepy.

Then again, it makes you like 70% of the other commenters here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim McCann,</p>
<p>Its rather telling that you automatically accuse me of misquoting Mark Shea.  He gave reasons he thought Palin would work, and I gave reasons she wouldn&#8217;t.  That you automatically assume some kind of antipathy is both depressing and a little bit creepy.</p>
<p>Then again, it makes you like 70% of the other commenters here.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Karlson</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/09/04/hope-abides-not-with-biden/#comment-35707</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Karlson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael I

When I started writing this, I thought I would go into many more issues; but as went through it, you can tell, just to get the few I did, took quite a bit of space, and I thought they were the big issues, so left it with them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael I</p>
<p>When I started writing this, I thought I would go into many more issues; but as went through it, you can tell, just to get the few I did, took quite a bit of space, and I thought they were the big issues, so left it with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/09/04/hope-abides-not-with-biden/#comment-35697</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am guilty of formal cooperation in choosing the way of death, if I go by the list from the Didache.  I repent of that.  I am humiliated by it.  Let us all begin there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am guilty of formal cooperation in choosing the way of death, if I go by the list from the Didache.  I repent of that.  I am humiliated by it.  Let us all begin there.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/09/04/hope-abides-not-with-biden/#comment-35696</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My post two up from Digby&#039;s makes the theological case for the same point, whereas he was making a point based on pragmatic timeliness (a fine point, I think).  Tim, care to respond to that? I&#039;m interested in what you think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My post two up from Digby&#8217;s makes the theological case for the same point, whereas he was making a point based on pragmatic timeliness (a fine point, I think).  Tim, care to respond to that? I&#8217;m interested in what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Morning's Minion</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/09/04/hope-abides-not-with-biden/#comment-35693</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Morning's Minion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim, I must have written hundreds of bloody posts on this topic, and I&#039;ve only made that point a couple of thousand times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I must have written hundreds of bloody posts on this topic, and I&#8217;ve only made that point a couple of thousand times.</p>
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		<title>By: TeutonicTim</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/09/04/hope-abides-not-with-biden/#comment-35691</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TeutonicTim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Moreover, I believe that those responsible for the common good who claim that abortion is a “right”, and vote and campaign for laws in this direction, or affirm legal judgments in this vein, are guilty of formal cooperation in evil.&lt;/i&gt;

So Obama is guilty of formal cooperation in evil.  At least we agree on that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Moreover, I believe that those responsible for the common good who claim that abortion is a “right”, and vote and campaign for laws in this direction, or affirm legal judgments in this vein, are guilty of formal cooperation in evil.</i></p>
<p>So Obama is guilty of formal cooperation in evil.  At least we agree on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Morning's Minion</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/09/04/hope-abides-not-with-biden/#comment-35687</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Morning's Minion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In line with the Declaration on Procured Abortion, I believe that the law should provide &quot;appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child&#039;s rights.&quot; What those sanctions should be is open to debate (there is certainly no call to punish it as homicide, even if it is the moral equivalent of homicide, and I don&#039;t believe any jurisdiction in history has done so). Moreover, I believe that those responsible for the common good who claim that abortion is a &quot;right&quot;, and vote and campaign for laws in this direction, or affirm legal judgments in this vein, are guilty of formal cooperation in evil. 

I also believe with every core of my being that the strategy adopted today by the Catholic right, by the Republican party, by the politicized pro-life movement is a shameless charade that will do nothing to foster a culture of life or to reduce abortions in this country.

I have said all of this before. I say so again to face down the poison that had infested our comboxes as of late.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In line with the Declaration on Procured Abortion, I believe that the law should provide &#8220;appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child&#8217;s rights.&#8221; What those sanctions should be is open to debate (there is certainly no call to punish it as homicide, even if it is the moral equivalent of homicide, and I don&#8217;t believe any jurisdiction in history has done so). Moreover, I believe that those responsible for the common good who claim that abortion is a &#8220;right&#8221;, and vote and campaign for laws in this direction, or affirm legal judgments in this vein, are guilty of formal cooperation in evil. </p>
<p>I also believe with every core of my being that the strategy adopted today by the Catholic right, by the Republican party, by the politicized pro-life movement is a shameless charade that will do nothing to foster a culture of life or to reduce abortions in this country.</p>
<p>I have said all of this before. I say so again to face down the poison that had infested our comboxes as of late.</p>
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		<title>By: TeutonicTim</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[digby - say it to yourself so we don&#039;t have to see it taking up space on the internet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>digby &#8211; say it to yourself so we don&#8217;t have to see it taking up space on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: S.B.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S.B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I know of no Obama supporting Catholics here at VN who favor the legal status quo on abortion.&lt;/i&gt;

You should stop saying thing like this, unless Gerald Campbell has ceased being a contributor.  You do know of his position, much as you might try to deny it.  He&#039;s even said that pro-lifers are &quot;insane&quot; for trying to change the legal status quo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I know of no Obama supporting Catholics here at VN who favor the legal status quo on abortion.</i></p>
<p>You should stop saying thing like this, unless Gerald Campbell has ceased being a contributor.  You do know of his position, much as you might try to deny it.  He&#8217;s even said that pro-lifers are &#8220;insane&#8221; for trying to change the legal status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: digbydolben</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[digbydolben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; don&#039;t &quot;favour the status quo&quot; on abortion either.

However, please say it quietly and repeat it to yourself: &lt;b&gt;In a time of financial and economic melt-down of neo-liberal globalist capitalism (caused by the emergence of the creditor states, as world powers); in a time of increasingly militarist responses to those pressures; in a time of massive environmental degradation; in a time of increasing dysfunction of America&#039;s national health system (and the possibility of epidemic-scale disasters in that sector); in a time of proliferation of &quot;dirty&quot; weapons of mass destruction--ABORTION SIMPLY CANNOT BE THE &lt;i&gt;Sine Qua Non&lt;/i&gt; for political choices, and to make it such would be a singularly unpatriotic act, the betrayal of whatever community might eventually be capable of acting in unison to eliminate the social and economic pressures that are instrumental in causing so many abortions.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I</i> don&#8217;t &#8220;favour the status quo&#8221; on abortion either.</p>
<p>However, please say it quietly and repeat it to yourself: <b>In a time of financial and economic melt-down of neo-liberal globalist capitalism (caused by the emergence of the creditor states, as world powers); in a time of increasingly militarist responses to those pressures; in a time of massive environmental degradation; in a time of increasing dysfunction of America&#8217;s national health system (and the possibility of epidemic-scale disasters in that sector); in a time of proliferation of &#8220;dirty&#8221; weapons of mass destruction&#8211;ABORTION SIMPLY CANNOT BE THE <i>Sine Qua Non</i> for political choices, and to make it such would be a singularly unpatriotic act, the betrayal of whatever community might eventually be capable of acting in unison to eliminate the social and economic pressures that are instrumental in causing so many abortions.</b></p>
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