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	<title>Comments on: McCain has no problem with choosing a pro-choice running mate</title>
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		<title>By: Zak</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/14/mccain-has-no-problem-with-choosing-a-pro-choice-running-mate/#comment-31844</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The New Republic recently ran an article on how McCain is a &quot;pro-life zealot.&quot;  She means anti-abortion, and she cites a number of people who have known him well for his whole political career.  it&#039;s an interesting read, and it reassured me a little that he does seem to care about overturning Roe, and not just for &quot;states&#039; rights&quot; reasons.   The article is here:  http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=3483eb20-9228-4700-9557-57a47a676e0b]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New Republic recently ran an article on how McCain is a &#8220;pro-life zealot.&#8221;  She means anti-abortion, and she cites a number of people who have known him well for his whole political career.  it&#8217;s an interesting read, and it reassured me a little that he does seem to care about overturning Roe, and not just for &#8220;states&#8217; rights&#8221; reasons.   The article is here:  <a href="http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=3483eb20-9228-4700-9557-57a47a676e0b" rel="nofollow">http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=3483eb20-9228-4700-9557-57a47a676e0b</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/14/mccain-has-no-problem-with-choosing-a-pro-choice-running-mate/#comment-31828</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;Seriously, there have been many instances of mental gymnastics for the sole purpose of displaying that a vote for a candidate who just happens to be hypothetically identical to Obama would be OK.&lt;/I&gt;

It &lt;I&gt;would&lt;/I&gt; be &quot;OK.&quot; This hardly amounts to &quot;pushing&quot; Obama. 

&lt;I&gt;As someone who has a banner on his blog supporting Senator McCain, I am hard pressed to understand how this is any more objectionable than having contributors openly support a candidate or routinely criticize one of the two major presidential candidates more than the other.&lt;/I&gt;

Depends what one means by &quot;openly support,&quot; I think. Merely criticizing one candidate more than the other does not mean an endorsement of the latter. From my point of view there is overwhelmingly more to criticize about McCain, but I do not endorse Obama, even if I were to cast a vote for him. 

&lt;I&gt;One could posit that having a banner is, at the very least, more intellectually honest.&lt;/I&gt;

Making distinctions in this case seems to be even more &quot;intellectually honest.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Seriously, there have been many instances of mental gymnastics for the sole purpose of displaying that a vote for a candidate who just happens to be hypothetically identical to Obama would be OK.</i></p>
<p>It <i>would</i> be &#8220;OK.&#8221; This hardly amounts to &#8220;pushing&#8221; Obama. </p>
<p><i>As someone who has a banner on his blog supporting Senator McCain, I am hard pressed to understand how this is any more objectionable than having contributors openly support a candidate or routinely criticize one of the two major presidential candidates more than the other.</i></p>
<p>Depends what one means by &#8220;openly support,&#8221; I think. Merely criticizing one candidate more than the other does not mean an endorsement of the latter. From my point of view there is overwhelmingly more to criticize about McCain, but I do not endorse Obama, even if I were to cast a vote for him. </p>
<p><i>One could posit that having a banner is, at the very least, more intellectually honest.</i></p>
<p>Making distinctions in this case seems to be even more &#8220;intellectually honest.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: feddie</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone who has a banner on his blog supporting Senator McCain, I am hard pressed to understand how this is any more objectionable than having contributors openly support a candidate or routinely criticize one of the two major presidential candidates more than the other. One could posit that having a banner is, at the very least, more intellectually honest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has a banner on his blog supporting Senator McCain, I am hard pressed to understand how this is any more objectionable than having contributors openly support a candidate or routinely criticize one of the two major presidential candidates more than the other. One could posit that having a banner is, at the very least, more intellectually honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Karlson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Karlson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If partisan supporters of McCain are trying to falsely claim a Catholic can&#039;t vote against McCain, then it is proper for  response to show what the true Catholic teaching is, which is not &quot;one must vote for McCain.&quot; It&#039;s not mental gymnastics, it&#039;s actually following basic moral theology; but since many people who try to force their candidate on others can&#039;t argue on issues, they must argue under false religious duties.

Talk about an idol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If partisan supporters of McCain are trying to falsely claim a Catholic can&#8217;t vote against McCain, then it is proper for  response to show what the true Catholic teaching is, which is not &#8220;one must vote for McCain.&#8221; It&#8217;s not mental gymnastics, it&#8217;s actually following basic moral theology; but since many people who try to force their candidate on others can&#8217;t argue on issues, they must argue under false religious duties.</p>
<p>Talk about an idol.</p>
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		<title>By: TeutonicTim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TeutonicTim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Which one of us in the combox has pushed Obama? Michael I.? Henry? Jonathan? Blackadder? Me?&lt;/i&gt;

Interestingly, you left out the contributor who does it!  Seriously, there have been many instances of mental gymnastics for the sole purpose of displaying that a vote for a candidate who just happens to be hypothetically identical to Obama would be OK.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Which one of us in the combox has pushed Obama? Michael I.? Henry? Jonathan? Blackadder? Me?</i></p>
<p>Interestingly, you left out the contributor who does it!  Seriously, there have been many instances of mental gymnastics for the sole purpose of displaying that a vote for a candidate who just happens to be hypothetically identical to Obama would be OK.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not enthusiastic about Obama in particular. I am somewhat enthusiastic about a black president. If I were to vote, I would probably vote for Obama. I may or may not vote. I don&#039;t necessarily think casting a vote means &quot;supporting&quot; the candidate in the way we often think. If I vote for Obama, I &quot;support&quot; him insofar as he shares my values, and he overwhelmingly does not. I have not sent him money, nor have I placed a banner on my site for Obama, nor have I encouraged anyone in any way to vote for him. It is clear that there is no acceptable candidate. When I vote, if I vote, I approach it asking myself how to keep the biggest evildoer out of the most powerful office on the planet. 

So forgive me, Tim, if I &lt;strike&gt;laugh my butt off&lt;/strike&gt; do not buy your charge that I or anyone else on this blog is &quot;pushing Obama.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not enthusiastic about Obama in particular. I am somewhat enthusiastic about a black president. If I were to vote, I would probably vote for Obama. I may or may not vote. I don&#8217;t necessarily think casting a vote means &#8220;supporting&#8221; the candidate in the way we often think. If I vote for Obama, I &#8220;support&#8221; him insofar as he shares my values, and he overwhelmingly does not. I have not sent him money, nor have I placed a banner on my site for Obama, nor have I encouraged anyone in any way to vote for him. It is clear that there is no acceptable candidate. When I vote, if I vote, I approach it asking myself how to keep the biggest evildoer out of the most powerful office on the planet. </p>
<p>So forgive me, Tim, if I <strike>laugh my butt off</strike> do not buy your charge that I or anyone else on this blog is &#8220;pushing Obama.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Policraticus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Policraticus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Maybe I’m just mistaking the over-done attempts at justifying enthusiastically supporting a candidate like Obama as “pushing”.&lt;/i&gt;

Which one of us in the combox has pushed Obama?  Michael I.?  Henry? Jonathan? Blackadder? Me?  Could you be more specific and site your evidence?  Or are you just importing your preconceived caricature?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Maybe I’m just mistaking the over-done attempts at justifying enthusiastically supporting a candidate like Obama as “pushing”.</i></p>
<p>Which one of us in the combox has pushed Obama?  Michael I.?  Henry? Jonathan? Blackadder? Me?  Could you be more specific and site your evidence?  Or are you just importing your preconceived caricature?</p>
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		<title>By: RCM</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RCM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Are you serious?…&quot;

Tim, I have a feeling that you think anyone who is critical of McCain is &quot;pushing Obama.&quot;  We invite you to be more critical of the choices our political system offers Catholics.  

MZ, thus far is the only who endores Obama.  I believe MM and Michael said that IF they were to vote they would favor Obama.  

The rest of us are not enthusiastic about anyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are you serious?…&#8221;</p>
<p>Tim, I have a feeling that you think anyone who is critical of McCain is &#8220;pushing Obama.&#8221;  We invite you to be more critical of the choices our political system offers Catholics.  </p>
<p>MZ, thus far is the only who endores Obama.  I believe MM and Michael said that IF they were to vote they would favor Obama.  </p>
<p>The rest of us are not enthusiastic about anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Katerina</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katerina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Somehow we&#039;re pushing Obama here but those who openly support John McCain and have McCain banners in their blogs and justify &quot;somehow&quot; how Catholics &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; to vote for McCain are not really pushing McCain on Catholics. Please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow we&#8217;re pushing Obama here but those who openly support John McCain and have McCain banners in their blogs and justify &#8220;somehow&#8221; how Catholics <i>have</i> to vote for McCain are not really pushing McCain on Catholics. Please.</p>
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		<title>By: TeutonicTim</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/14/mccain-has-no-problem-with-choosing-a-pro-choice-running-mate/#comment-31804</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TeutonicTim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Tim - Who here is “pushing” Obama?&lt;/i&gt;

Are you serious?...


Maybe I&#039;m just mistaking the over-done attempts at justifying enthusiastically supporting a candidate like Obama as &quot;pushing&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Tim &#8211; Who here is “pushing” Obama?</i></p>
<p>Are you serious?&#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just mistaking the over-done attempts at justifying enthusiastically supporting a candidate like Obama as &#8220;pushing&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Policraticus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/14/mccain-has-no-problem-with-choosing-a-pro-choice-running-mate/#comment-31801</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Policraticus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I think the difference here is that Catholics don’t try to push McCain like you guys do Obama.&lt;/i&gt;

Since you said &quot;you guys&quot; in this comment thread, I assume you mean the &quot;you guys&quot; who are contributors of Vox Nova and have commented in this thread: Michael I., Blackadder, M.Z. Forrest, Jonathan, Henry, and I.  Of these six, only M.Z. supports Obama.  The other five of us have declared in unequivocal terms that we do not and will not support Obama.  In fact, I noted as much in this very post.  Now, I suspect you have something valuable to offer to this conversation.  But please do not just paste some caricature that has no foundation within the context of this post.

N.B.: Vox Nova has no &quot;Obama&quot; and no &quot;McCain&quot; banner on our blog.  In fact, I have yet to find an Obama banner on any Catholic blog, but I have found a few McCain banners.  If there are Catholic bloggers &quot;pushing&quot; a candidate, then that candidate is most certainly McCain.

Also, in an email exchange with Feddie, which occurred even before his brief time at Vox Nova and while Giuliani was the GOP front runner, he indicated to me that he would support a third party candidate if Giuliani secured the nomination.  So, Michael I&#039;s assumption is correct, and I believe every word from Feddie on the matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think the difference here is that Catholics don’t try to push McCain like you guys do Obama.</i></p>
<p>Since you said &#8220;you guys&#8221; in this comment thread, I assume you mean the &#8220;you guys&#8221; who are contributors of Vox Nova and have commented in this thread: Michael I., Blackadder, M.Z. Forrest, Jonathan, Henry, and I.  Of these six, only M.Z. supports Obama.  The other five of us have declared in unequivocal terms that we do not and will not support Obama.  In fact, I noted as much in this very post.  Now, I suspect you have something valuable to offer to this conversation.  But please do not just paste some caricature that has no foundation within the context of this post.</p>
<p>N.B.: Vox Nova has no &#8220;Obama&#8221; and no &#8220;McCain&#8221; banner on our blog.  In fact, I have yet to find an Obama banner on any Catholic blog, but I have found a few McCain banners.  If there are Catholic bloggers &#8220;pushing&#8221; a candidate, then that candidate is most certainly McCain.</p>
<p>Also, in an email exchange with Feddie, which occurred even before his brief time at Vox Nova and while Giuliani was the GOP front runner, he indicated to me that he would support a third party candidate if Giuliani secured the nomination.  So, Michael I&#8217;s assumption is correct, and I believe every word from Feddie on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim - Who here is &quot;pushing&quot; Obama?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim &#8211; Who here is &#8220;pushing&#8221; Obama?</p>
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