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If someone votes for Obama is not that follow they agree with him on abortion. Your understanding is wrong. The people who have said they would vote for Obama (which is only a few, not all) have also said they are against abortion. But they believe there are proportionate reasons to vote for Obama. This, of course, is how Catholics act in voting.

And as a technical note, the late term abortions being done at Christ Hospital, a hospital that is run by Obama’s church (which raises a serious conflict of interest issue with him handling the issue in the first place), assume that they will simply let any child born alive die without care. Some of these children take an hour or more to die a horrible agonizing death and could be saved with immediate medical intervention. The argument that they would die anyway (not supported by any facts, I might add) is not worthy of Catholic thought.

My initial reaction would be to deny this too, especially the sloppy term “countless” (unless you mean that you can’t count whether it’s 2 or 3 ex-soldiers making such an accusation). You’re going to have to cite a reputable source, not unnamed “friends.”

Yes. I am.

You simply are not paying attention, because countless soldiers ARE talking to the media about it.

Keep dreaming. The Department of the Defense takes those claims seriously and the whole world watches. Remember the Haditha incident? Every Solider involved was aquitted.

You are just nuts to equate the war in Iraq with abortion. Your position only holds water if the American troops are there trying to kill Iraqi children therefore you choose to believe that the American troops are ordered to kill civilians. Which is absolutely absurd.

Are you denying the testimony of countless U.S. soldiers coming back from Iraq (including at least two friends of mine) who affirm that our soldiers have been told to target civilians? Way to “honor” them. Sorry if their testimony interferes with your politics. I’d rather know the truth than live in denial.

It gives you something to complain about.

Believe me, I wish I didn’t have to “complain” about it!

If that was actually happening than thousands of American serviceman would be talking about it to the media and it would be all over the place.

You simply are not paying attention, because countless soldiers ARE talking to the media about it.

Instead, several whack jobs tell Michael Moore about it and it ends up being completely and utterly disproven over and over again….

This has nothing to do with Michael Moore. And where exactly has this been “disproven”?

I can’t help you if you are more interested in protecting your conscience than you are in knowing the truth about the world you live in.

Absolutely! And the right to life precedes and undergirds the Catholic position on abortion AND war. “The right to life comes first” and “abortion comes first” are not equivalent statements. Abortion is wrong BECAUSE the right to life comes first. And unjust wars are wrong BECAUSE the right to life comes first. Get it?

The “every other social issue or group of issues” that are referred to in your quote are social issues that are NOT life issues. War is indeed a life issue.

There are some of us, who did not support the war in Iraq, but who now understand that given the current situation that an immediate withdrawal is not possible without further destabilization of Iraq and a potential ripple affect in the Middle East. There are those of us who think that the corrupt Iraqi government should have stepped up to the plate long ago. There are those of us who think that the U.S. military should have been given the resources and descretion to run the military operation as they saw was indicated WITHOUT the meddling of Rumsfeld and Cheney.

There is nuance and not the broad brush that you paint for those of us who represent a more conservative viewpoint…

Oddly, though, McCain’s enemies don’t suffer from any expectations that he is anything other than a stout anti-abortion statesman. http://tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=3483eb20-9228-4700-9557-57a47a676e0b&p=1

There is no “latitude” in McCain’s position on abortion. Interviews with dozens of people who have dealt with him on the issue–pro-choice and pro-life activists, Hill staffers, McCain confidants, pollsters, and staffers–along with a two-and-a-half-decade-long perfectly anti-abortion voting record, make that clear. And his record on related issues, like contraception, is no better. “I think it is outrageous that people give him a pass, as they gave George W. Bush a pass,” reflects Feldt. “John McCain will be that and worse.”

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During his political career, McCain has participated in 130 reproductive health-related votes on Capitol Hill; of these, he voted with the anti-abortion camp in 125. . . .
Some of these votes were, politically speaking, no-brainers for anyone vaguely in the pro-life camp. But McCain also joined efforts supported only by the radical wing of his party. He voted, for instance, with only one-fifth of the Senate to remove family-planning grants from a 1988 spending bill and with only 18 senators that same year against allowing Medicaid to pay for abortions in cases of rape or incest.

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Woods recalled a number of conversations with McCain, including one “up in the mountains late at night,” in which the lawyer suggested that reasonable minds could differ. “When we really explored it, it really came down [for] him to a sanctity-of-life question. … He did get very emotional one time we talked about it. He truly believed.”

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[This is pretty cool:]
Gloria Feldt says that, during her time in Arizona and later as president of the national Planned Parenthood Federation of America, her staff never tried to talk to McCain about abortion, but they did approach him about family-planning. He always refused to meet with them; he even refused to meet prominent Republicans on the Planned Parenthood board. “When I went to his D.C. office, I would be put into his waiting room forever and ever and ever, and eventually a staff person would come out and put me off, and finally I just gave up,” Feldt recalls.

Sharlene Bozack was public affairs director for Planned Parenthood of Central and Northern Arizona between 1989 and 1995. One day, she came to D.C. for PPFA’s annual day of lobbying and encountered McCain on the Hill. “I relive it every time I see the man on TV,” she told me over the phone from Phoenix. She and Feldt had run into McCain, introduced themselves, and asked if they could speak with him. He agreed, and they got on the train that runs between Capitol buildings. Bozack was talking to him about international contraception access. Suddenly, she recalls, he was no longer calm, cool, and collected. “He turned toward me and put his index finger out and started pounding me in the chest saying, ‘You know my position on this,’ and ‘How dare you ask me about this,’ and ‘You are just trying to intimidate me.’”

You think the answer is to lend support to candidates that are expressely for the propogation of more abortions?