Comments on: On the Atomic Bombings of Japan II http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/09/on-the-atomic-bombings-of-japan-ii/ Catholic perspectives on culture, society, and politics Sat, 26 May 2012 03:15:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: geral http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/09/on-the-atomic-bombings-of-japan-ii/#comment-58861 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:32:14 +0000 http://voxnova2.wordpress.com/?p=3053#comment-58861 Japan’s historical rule by war lords and sociopathic killers ruined the nation, now under the iron hand of fascist usa; today the people of Japan realize that they have lost much more than control of their own destiny (at the hands of the fbi/cia/pentagon assassins); their genius is also imprisoned & laid to waste.
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]]> By: I. Shawn McElhinney http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/09/on-the-atomic-bombings-of-japan-ii/#comment-33140 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:16:37 +0000 http://voxnova2.wordpress.com/?p=3053#comment-33140 Response to “Blackadder” on the Atomic Bombings -Part II of II

]]> By: I. Shawn McElhinney http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/09/on-the-atomic-bombings-of-japan-ii/#comment-31145 Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:14:36 +0000 http://voxnova2.wordpress.com/?p=3053#comment-31145 Whoops the link did not work. Lets try it this way:

Principles of Dialogue
http://rerum-novarum.blogspot.com/2008_08_10_archive.html#233470021263801837

]]> By: I. Shawn McElhinney http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/09/on-the-atomic-bombings-of-japan-ii/#comment-31144 Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:13:21 +0000 http://voxnova2.wordpress.com/?p=3053#comment-31144 “Blackadder”,

I thank you for presenting these matters in comformity with our agreed-upon joint declaration of dialogual principles. (The part pertaining to general principles being viewable a href=”http://rerum-novarum.blogspot.com/2008_08_10_archive.html#233470021263801837″>here for those who are interested.)

Again, you are to be commended sir -I will endeavour to respond in the same spirit in the coming days to your postings in the order they were put up.

]]> By: david http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/09/on-the-atomic-bombings-of-japan-ii/#comment-31073 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:47:39 +0000 http://voxnova2.wordpress.com/?p=3053#comment-31073 Any Saint would have died starving before dropping a big ass bomb on a bunch of children and elderly folks.

]]> By: david http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/09/on-the-atomic-bombings-of-japan-ii/#comment-31071 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:43:14 +0000 http://voxnova2.wordpress.com/?p=3053#comment-31071 A nice story from St. Anthony online. Hope its okay with ya’ll . Over the years he took an interest in things that happened on August 9, like the execution of the Catholic German war resister Franz Jagerstatter. In the early 1980’s, when Father Charles noticed that Edith Stein died on August 9, he began reading about her. “For the next two months, I read pretty much all day, every day, on Edith Stein. I came to the conclusion that Edith Stein was in microcosm what Nagasaki, the cradle of Christianity in Japan, was in macrocosm. In other words, here was a Christian woman who was destroyed by Christians. Auschwitz was an operation run entirely by baptized Christians,” explains McCarthy. “So was the bomb crew that destroyed Nagasaki

]]> By: daniel.waweru http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/09/on-the-atomic-bombings-of-japan-ii/#comment-31069 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:20:56 +0000 http://voxnova2.wordpress.com/?p=3053#comment-31069

There is no question that it was morally unjustified, but the looming question is whether it was necessary. No one can make an argument that blowing people up is moral, only that is it necessary for the prevention of some other kinds of harm (insert Doctrine of Double Effect and friends here).

Assuming, which is not the case, that this defence works for the first bomb, it fails for the second: if the object was to induce Japan to surrender, the second bomb was redundant.

]]> By: Morning's Minion http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/09/on-the-atomic-bombings-of-japan-ii/#comment-31065 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:34:00 +0000 http://voxnova2.wordpress.com/?p=3053#comment-31065 Doube effect does not work here, because you do not pass the first step ie. is this act evil in its object?

]]> By: Sam Rocha http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/09/on-the-atomic-bombings-of-japan-ii/#comment-31037 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:14:00 +0000 http://voxnova2.wordpress.com/?p=3053#comment-31037 There is no question that it was morally unjustified, but the looming question is whether it was necessary. No one can make an argument that blowing people up is moral, only that is it necessary for the prevention of some other kinds of harm (insert Doctrine of Double Effect and friends here).

]]> By: Morning's Minion http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/09/on-the-atomic-bombings-of-japan-ii/#comment-31034 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:59:01 +0000 http://voxnova2.wordpress.com/?p=3053#comment-31034 “2) the bombings saved lives, that is, any alternative course of action would have resulted in even greater loss of life.”

Your argument is all well and good, and the fundamental point holds: even if (2) were correct, the atomic bombings would have been unjustifiable, instrinsically evil acts. You can never do evil so that good might come of, and it is simply indisuptable that the object of this act was evil.

]]> By: Abbey-Roads2 » Blog Archive » Another Anniversary! http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/09/on-the-atomic-bombings-of-japan-ii/#comment-31029 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:35:25 +0000 http://voxnova2.wordpress.com/?p=3053#comment-31029 [...] “It was not necessary to bomb cities full of civilians.” [...]

]]> By: Histor http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/09/on-the-atomic-bombings-of-japan-ii/#comment-31023 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:11:27 +0000 http://voxnova2.wordpress.com/?p=3053#comment-31023 “And wtf does it matter whether a city has Christians in it or not.”

I’m not sure if you’re Christian or not, but – Christians are supposed to protect each other. That we kill each other is a bad thing, even when it’s in a just war or self-defense. So it’s preferable to avoid killing Christians when possible.

Histor

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