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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/31/millions-flee-united-states/#comment-30581</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I find tragically yet laughingly predictable yet entirely unsurprising about the debates on this particular thread is how the so-called &quot;liberals&quot; have ended up frothing forth like hard-right Republicans. 

Of course, for anyone viewing this whole business outside the US bubble such phenomena are entirely unsurprising, but for the above indicated liberals they arrive in their consciousness like a thunderbolt. The key thing here is the acceptance, as an absolute that subjugates even a declaration of an ecumenical council, of the boundaries of the nation-state and the treaties associated therewith.

For those of us viewing this whole business from outside, the fact that about a quarter of the USA was stolen from Mexico by brute force in the 1840&#039;s remains an endless source of amusement!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find tragically yet laughingly predictable yet entirely unsurprising about the debates on this particular thread is how the so-called &#8220;liberals&#8221; have ended up frothing forth like hard-right Republicans. </p>
<p>Of course, for anyone viewing this whole business outside the US bubble such phenomena are entirely unsurprising, but for the above indicated liberals they arrive in their consciousness like a thunderbolt. The key thing here is the acceptance, as an absolute that subjugates even a declaration of an ecumenical council, of the boundaries of the nation-state and the treaties associated therewith.</p>
<p>For those of us viewing this whole business from outside, the fact that about a quarter of the USA was stolen from Mexico by brute force in the 1840&#8242;s remains an endless source of amusement!</p>
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		<title>By: spe salvi</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/31/millions-flee-united-states/#comment-30192</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are discussions among illegal immigrants about the option of leaving the country like this one:

http://www.dreamact.info/forum/showthread.php?t=8272

In post #19 one person, for instance, rants: &quot;...This is what I have been saying. Don&#039;t politicians and alipacers see this. We, College grads are the ones who leave, The criminals and the ppl they are scared are gonna stay because they dont give a damn about being productive and all.&quot;

These are teenagers and 20-somethings, some of whom have graduated college. I guess it&#039;s easy to make the transition if they&#039;re still fluent in their native language and don&#039;t have too many roots in the US, but for many others it would be very difficult to leave everything they know behind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are discussions among illegal immigrants about the option of leaving the country like this one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dreamact.info/forum/showthread.php?t=8272" rel="nofollow">http://www.dreamact.info/forum/showthread.php?t=8272</a></p>
<p>In post #19 one person, for instance, rants: &#8220;&#8230;This is what I have been saying. Don&#8217;t politicians and alipacers see this. We, College grads are the ones who leave, The criminals and the ppl they are scared are gonna stay because they dont give a damn about being productive and all.&#8221;</p>
<p>These are teenagers and 20-somethings, some of whom have graduated college. I guess it&#8217;s easy to make the transition if they&#8217;re still fluent in their native language and don&#8217;t have too many roots in the US, but for many others it would be very difficult to leave everything they know behind.</p>
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		<title>By: RR</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/31/millions-flee-united-states/#comment-30003</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The government has to enforce the law.&quot;

Yes. Why do we let those jaywalkers off the hook? They should be fined $1000 per step.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The government has to enforce the law.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. Why do we let those jaywalkers off the hook? They should be fined $1000 per step.</p>
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		<title>By: little gal</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/31/millions-flee-united-states/#comment-29842</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whenever I get the chance to share Dr. Barry Chiswick&#039;s work on immigration, I do.  He is considered to be an expert on the economics of immigration.  In April of 2006 he gave testimony to the Senate Judiciary Cmmte. on the Economic Impact of Immigration.  Here is the link:

http://judiciary.senate.gov/testimony.cfm?id=1851&amp;wit_id=5257]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever I get the chance to share Dr. Barry Chiswick&#8217;s work on immigration, I do.  He is considered to be an expert on the economics of immigration.  In April of 2006 he gave testimony to the Senate Judiciary Cmmte. on the Economic Impact of Immigration.  Here is the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://judiciary.senate.gov/testimony.cfm?id=1851&#038;wit_id=5257" rel="nofollow">http://judiciary.senate.gov/testimony.cfm?id=1851&#038;wit_id=5257</a></p>
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		<title>By: HA</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/31/millions-flee-united-states/#comment-29828</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It’s depressing that the media is ignoring the raids all over the country of the ICE thugs, splitting up families...&lt;/i&gt;

Far be it from me to stand in the way of a rhetorical cheap shot, but to the extent that immigrants are returning to their home countries, don&#039;t the majority of these relocations, voluntary or otherwise, wind up with families actually being reunited?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s depressing that the media is ignoring the raids all over the country of the ICE thugs, splitting up families&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Far be it from me to stand in the way of a rhetorical cheap shot, but to the extent that immigrants are returning to their home countries, don&#8217;t the majority of these relocations, voluntary or otherwise, wind up with families actually being reunited?</p>
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		<title>By: Policraticus</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;MM: you’re a left wing loon, a sworn enemy of the private sector, and apparently you want this nation to cease and desist from its sovereignty.&lt;/i&gt;

Sheer brilliance in presentation, utter profundity in logical reasoning!  Bravo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>MM: you’re a left wing loon, a sworn enemy of the private sector, and apparently you want this nation to cease and desist from its sovereignty.</i></p>
<p>Sheer brilliance in presentation, utter profundity in logical reasoning!  Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Talbot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Talbot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suggest a change of headline: &quot;Tired, Poor and Tempest-Toss&#039;d fleeing America: Conservatives celebrate.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest a change of headline: &#8220;Tired, Poor and Tempest-Toss&#8217;d fleeing America: Conservatives celebrate.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: blackadderiv</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/31/millions-flee-united-states/#comment-29738</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blackadderiv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve already had my identity stolen, actually (and by someone who was using it to do more than pay taxes). It&#039;s wasn&#039;t nearly as exciting as the name might suggest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve already had my identity stolen, actually (and by someone who was using it to do more than pay taxes). It&#8217;s wasn&#8217;t nearly as exciting as the name might suggest.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald A. Naus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/31/millions-flee-united-states/#comment-29733</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald A. Naus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Identity theft is funny to you. Ok then. It&#039;s rather dastardly for the people in whose name they work, because they then get in trouble for not paying income tax. Sometimes, several illegals work under the same person&#039;s SSN. Would you like someone to steal your identity ? My mother-in-law has such an &#039;alter ego&#039; who&#039;s now back in South America.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Identity theft is funny to you. Ok then. It&#8217;s rather dastardly for the people in whose name they work, because they then get in trouble for not paying income tax. Sometimes, several illegals work under the same person&#8217;s SSN. Would you like someone to steal your identity ? My mother-in-law has such an &#8216;alter ego&#8217; who&#8217;s now back in South America.</p>
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		<title>By: blackadderiv</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The raids are minimal compared to the number of companies employing illegal aliens - who frequently use stolen SSN. &lt;/i&gt;

Yes, illegal immigrants often use fake documents to pay social security taxes. That&#039;s dastardly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The raids are minimal compared to the number of companies employing illegal aliens &#8211; who frequently use stolen SSN. </i></p>
<p>Yes, illegal immigrants often use fake documents to pay social security taxes. That&#8217;s dastardly.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald A. Naus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald A. Naus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Btw, USCIS is set to introduce a Do It Yourself deportation option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, USCIS is set to introduce a Do It Yourself deportation option.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T. Shaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MM:  you&#039;re a left wing loon, a sworn enemy of the private sector, and apparently you want this nation to cease and desist from its sovereignty.  

I think any employer that hires such criminals should be subject to a fine of $1,000 per day per criminal.  I think patriots that identify such employers should share in the fines.        

Then, about 12 million of the thieves will stop making America a hell hole and abscond back to their hell holes of origin.   And, we few we taxpayers won&#039;t have to pay for their socialist health care when Saint Obama begins dismantling the United States of America.  

Buy gold.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM:  you&#8217;re a left wing loon, a sworn enemy of the private sector, and apparently you want this nation to cease and desist from its sovereignty.  </p>
<p>I think any employer that hires such criminals should be subject to a fine of $1,000 per day per criminal.  I think patriots that identify such employers should share in the fines.        </p>
<p>Then, about 12 million of the thieves will stop making America a hell hole and abscond back to their hell holes of origin.   And, we few we taxpayers won&#8217;t have to pay for their socialist health care when Saint Obama begins dismantling the United States of America.  </p>
<p>Buy gold.</p>
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