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	<title>Comments on: An interview with Prof. James Cone</title>
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		<title>By: j. edwards</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/13/an-interview-with-prof-james-cone/#comment-28140</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[aww! i cant believe i got here 64 comments late!

why do so many christians surrender SO MUCH to the powers that be? 

my parents are evangelicals who believe that there will someday be a murderous, all-controlling government that enslaves human-kind and denies the power of the gospel....

...and of course they have no problems with american government over the last couple hundred years: genocide, broken treaties, slavery, whatever.

(and thank christ for james cone.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aww! i cant believe i got here 64 comments late!</p>
<p>why do so many christians surrender SO MUCH to the powers that be? </p>
<p>my parents are evangelicals who believe that there will someday be a murderous, all-controlling government that enslaves human-kind and denies the power of the gospel&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;and of course they have no problems with american government over the last couple hundred years: genocide, broken treaties, slavery, whatever.</p>
<p>(and thank christ for james cone.)</p>
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		<title>By: Magdalena</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/13/an-interview-with-prof-james-cone/#comment-28048</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Magdalena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would be wrong to reduce Christianity to reception of the Sacraments, but I don&#039;t think Jonathan is trying to imply that the Gospel does not have political implications. Obviously it does, the way any belief system does if it is lived and believed authentically. The problem comes when Christianity is wedded to an ideology. It is as obnoxious when the Christian Right does it as when the Professor Cone does it, but they are both in dangerous territory.

The Golden Rule DOES have political implications but I would argue that it is not itself a political statement. The Sermon on the Mount was manifestly not intended as a constitution or a &quot;bill of rights.&quot; Jesus does not seem to have had any intention of founding a new state or a new political system, in fact some of His contemporaries were annoyed that he was not a political Messiah, a Messiah of revolution who would lead Israel out from the Roman yoke.  What we can take away politically from the Sermon on the Mount is that to reform the state we need to reform ourselves, and then help other people to reform - as individuals, because that is the only way that change occurs, soul by soul. We don&#039;t need revolution, we need evangelization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be wrong to reduce Christianity to reception of the Sacraments, but I don&#8217;t think Jonathan is trying to imply that the Gospel does not have political implications. Obviously it does, the way any belief system does if it is lived and believed authentically. The problem comes when Christianity is wedded to an ideology. It is as obnoxious when the Christian Right does it as when the Professor Cone does it, but they are both in dangerous territory.</p>
<p>The Golden Rule DOES have political implications but I would argue that it is not itself a political statement. The Sermon on the Mount was manifestly not intended as a constitution or a &#8220;bill of rights.&#8221; Jesus does not seem to have had any intention of founding a new state or a new political system, in fact some of His contemporaries were annoyed that he was not a political Messiah, a Messiah of revolution who would lead Israel out from the Roman yoke.  What we can take away politically from the Sermon on the Mount is that to reform the state we need to reform ourselves, and then help other people to reform &#8211; as individuals, because that is the only way that change occurs, soul by soul. We don&#8217;t need revolution, we need evangelization.</p>
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		<title>By: G Alkon</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/13/an-interview-with-prof-james-cone/#comment-28012</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G Alkon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How could the golden rule not be political?

Is supporting a political regime that kills your neighbors not a violation of the golden rule?

Doesn&#039;t it violate the golden rule to support a regime that encourages the &quot;well off&quot; to feel good about themselves by making sure there are poor and suffering around, so the &quot;well off&quot; can always be reminded, by contrast of their own success?

In any case, the claim that Christianity reduces to reception of the sacraments and following the golden rule is a pretty big howler.  

Christ&#039;s teaching is a systematic attack on the idea that following the golden rule is enough.

&quot;Love thy neighbor as thyself&quot; is infinitely different from &quot;do unto others as you would have them to unto you&quot;

What about &quot;love thy enemies&quot;?  What about the teaching -- of that nutcase, Christ -- that it does one no credit to give to others in expectation of a return?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could the golden rule not be political?</p>
<p>Is supporting a political regime that kills your neighbors not a violation of the golden rule?</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t it violate the golden rule to support a regime that encourages the &#8220;well off&#8221; to feel good about themselves by making sure there are poor and suffering around, so the &#8220;well off&#8221; can always be reminded, by contrast of their own success?</p>
<p>In any case, the claim that Christianity reduces to reception of the sacraments and following the golden rule is a pretty big howler.  </p>
<p>Christ&#8217;s teaching is a systematic attack on the idea that following the golden rule is enough.</p>
<p>&#8220;Love thy neighbor as thyself&#8221; is infinitely different from &#8220;do unto others as you would have them to unto you&#8221;</p>
<p>What about &#8220;love thy enemies&#8221;?  What about the teaching &#8212; of that nutcase, Christ &#8212; that it does one no credit to give to others in expectation of a return?</p>
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		<title>By: samrocha</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/13/an-interview-with-prof-james-cone/#comment-27992</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SB: You&#039;re right about that point, I think. To be quite honest, and perhaps it just shows my own preference/bias, much of Cone&#039;s rhetoric seems to better put by Cornel West&#039;s vision of prophetic hope. I fear that the &quot;theological&quot; interpretation that this attempts runs into some trouble that a philosophical one doesn&#039;t. I still think, though, that the general message is poignant and needs to be pondered more, not less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SB: You&#8217;re right about that point, I think. To be quite honest, and perhaps it just shows my own preference/bias, much of Cone&#8217;s rhetoric seems to better put by Cornel West&#8217;s vision of prophetic hope. I fear that the &#8220;theological&#8221; interpretation that this attempts runs into some trouble that a philosophical one doesn&#8217;t. I still think, though, that the general message is poignant and needs to be pondered more, not less.</p>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;It was going OK until 6:55, when he lets loose with one of the stupidest things ever said: “There are nine Supreme Court Justices, all of them white as far as I’m concerned. One may look black, but he’s white.”

Why’s that? He would also say it’s possible to look white (as a symbol of being an oppressor) and to not be white. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Why&#039;s that, you ask?  Because Cone was talking about Clarence Thomas, and no one who has the slightest familiarity with Thomas&#039;s opinions would seriously say that Thomas has a &quot;white&quot; viewpoint.  If anything, Thomas has a black nationalist view (not surprising considering that he once supported the Black Panthers).  See Mark Tushnet&#039;s essay, &quot;Clarence Thomas&#039;s Black Nationalism&quot; (available online) (note: don&#039;t even bother trying to come up with an ad hominem; Tushnet is a law prof at Harvard, and a committed leftist/socialist).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It was going OK until 6:55, when he lets loose with one of the stupidest things ever said: “There are nine Supreme Court Justices, all of them white as far as I’m concerned. One may look black, but he’s white.”</p>
<p>Why’s that? He would also say it’s possible to look white (as a symbol of being an oppressor) and to not be white. </p></blockquote>
<p>Why&#8217;s that, you ask?  Because Cone was talking about Clarence Thomas, and no one who has the slightest familiarity with Thomas&#8217;s opinions would seriously say that Thomas has a &#8220;white&#8221; viewpoint.  If anything, Thomas has a black nationalist view (not surprising considering that he once supported the Black Panthers).  See Mark Tushnet&#8217;s essay, &#8220;Clarence Thomas&#8217;s Black Nationalism&#8221; (available online) (note: don&#8217;t even bother trying to come up with an ad hominem; Tushnet is a law prof at Harvard, and a committed leftist/socialist).</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/13/an-interview-with-prof-james-cone/#comment-27989</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael - 

&quot;Frankly, it is obvious that I do not have the time for that.&quot;

Real classy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;Frankly, it is obvious that I do not have the time for that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Real classy</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/13/an-interview-with-prof-james-cone/#comment-27987</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick - Take heart. Many of VN contributors &quot;think otherwise.&quot; Don&#039;t let the quality of the comments fool you. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8211; Take heart. Many of VN contributors &#8220;think otherwise.&#8221; Don&#8217;t let the quality of the comments fool you. :)</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/13/an-interview-with-prof-james-cone/#comment-27986</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah, i just stumbled across this site recently and was excited; i even bookmarked it. but reading some of these posts and comments has made me lose my stomach. disappointing. 

i&#039;m glad to know catholics who are capable of thinking otherwise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, i just stumbled across this site recently and was excited; i even bookmarked it. but reading some of these posts and comments has made me lose my stomach. disappointing. </p>
<p>i&#8217;m glad to know catholics who are capable of thinking otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: digbydolben</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[digbydolben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick, don&#039;t bother telling most of the people here about the poor folk on Chicago&#039;s west side: they have absolutely no heart to hear about them; they think &quot;Christianity&quot; is going to Church, taking the wafer in their mouths and &quot;obeying Bush and Cheney,&quot; as stated above. If that&#039;s their idea of &quot;Catholicism,&quot; (and I&#039;m pretty sure they&#039;re the majority in America), I KNOW I want no part of &quot;Catholicism.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, don&#8217;t bother telling most of the people here about the poor folk on Chicago&#8217;s west side: they have absolutely no heart to hear about them; they think &#8220;Christianity&#8221; is going to Church, taking the wafer in their mouths and &#8220;obeying Bush and Cheney,&#8221; as stated above. If that&#8217;s their idea of &#8220;Catholicism,&#8221; (and I&#8217;m pretty sure they&#8217;re the majority in America), I KNOW I want no part of &#8220;Catholicism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/13/an-interview-with-prof-james-cone/#comment-27984</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[T. Shaw, what&#039;s the deal? Make a decision about how you want to behave here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T. Shaw, what&#8217;s the deal? Make a decision about how you want to behave here.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Shaw</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/13/an-interview-with-prof-james-cone/#comment-27983</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T. Shaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[M I:  &quot;The truth is racist.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M I:  &#8220;The truth is racist.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: T. Shaw</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/13/an-interview-with-prof-james-cone/#comment-27981</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T. Shaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Plato:  &quot;Opinion is not truth.&quot;

Me:  &quot;Metaphor is not truth.&quot;

Ban me!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plato:  &#8220;Opinion is not truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Me:  &#8220;Metaphor is not truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ban me!</p>
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