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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/03/happy-4th-of-july/#comment-27089</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 03:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m leaving town for a few days, visiting the great city of Chicago and DePaul University for a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ekklesiaproject.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;conference&lt;/a&gt;. In light of some recent racist content in this thread, I&#039;m turning comments off for a few days since I won&#039;t be able to &quot;police&quot; them. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m leaving town for a few days, visiting the great city of Chicago and DePaul University for a <a href="http://www.ekklesiaproject.org" rel="nofollow">conference</a>. In light of some recent racist content in this thread, I&#8217;m turning comments off for a few days since I won&#8217;t be able to &#8220;police&#8221; them. </p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/03/happy-4th-of-july/#comment-27087</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 03:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;That you are wrong to assert that America is not a community...&lt;/I&gt;

So you&#039;re ignoring my clarification then? Nice. 

&lt;I&gt;...and that your wrongness to all appearances stems from your hatred of America as a community rather than its actually not being a community.&lt;/I&gt;

I don&#039;t hate America. You&#039;re wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That you are wrong to assert that America is not a community&#8230;</i></p>
<p>So you&#8217;re ignoring my clarification then? Nice. </p>
<p><i>&#8230;and that your wrongness to all appearances stems from your hatred of America as a community rather than its actually not being a community.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hate America. You&#8217;re wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Tulipa</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/03/happy-4th-of-july/#comment-27081</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, Magdelena.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Magdelena.</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/03/happy-4th-of-july/#comment-27075</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;What is your point exactly?&lt;/i&gt;

That you are wrong to assert that America is not a community, and that your wrongness to all appearances stems from your hatred of America as a community rather than its actually not being a community.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What is your point exactly?</i></p>
<p>That you are wrong to assert that America is not a community, and that your wrongness to all appearances stems from your hatred of America as a community rather than its actually not being a community.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/03/happy-4th-of-july/#comment-27072</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gerald - I&#039;m guessing you mean &quot;miracle&quot; in the loosest sense possible, and not in any sort of theological sense. 

I agree with you on the way abortion is used in these sorts of discussions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerald &#8211; I&#8217;m guessing you mean &#8220;miracle&#8221; in the loosest sense possible, and not in any sort of theological sense. </p>
<p>I agree with you on the way abortion is used in these sorts of discussions.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald A. Naus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/03/happy-4th-of-july/#comment-27069</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald A. Naus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[* make that trillions]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* make that trillions</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald A. Naus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/03/happy-4th-of-july/#comment-27068</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald A. Naus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re 300 million people, that it&#039;s a community with a fairly common identity at all is a miracle.

Michael, by now you should know that abortion pops up like the Spanish Inquisition in the Monty Python bit. It&#039;s like Kevin Bacon, too, only it usually takes fewer degrees. 

It goes like this /sarcasm on (I&#039;m adding the Hitler analogy on purpose, to check another box)

&quot;Hitler murdered six million Jews !&quot;
- &quot;But he was against abortion !&quot;

or
&quot;Bush has started an unnecessary war that&#039;s cost us billions and killed thousands. Our economy is in the tank and we&#039;ve lost all credibility in combating a future real threat.&quot;
- &quot;But he&#039;s against abortion !&quot;

Fools to the left of me, jokers to the right...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re 300 million people, that it&#8217;s a community with a fairly common identity at all is a miracle.</p>
<p>Michael, by now you should know that abortion pops up like the Spanish Inquisition in the Monty Python bit. It&#8217;s like Kevin Bacon, too, only it usually takes fewer degrees. </p>
<p>It goes like this /sarcasm on (I&#8217;m adding the Hitler analogy on purpose, to check another box)</p>
<p>&#8220;Hitler murdered six million Jews !&#8221;<br />
- &#8220;But he was against abortion !&#8221;</p>
<p>or<br />
&#8220;Bush has started an unnecessary war that&#8217;s cost us billions and killed thousands. Our economy is in the tank and we&#8217;ve lost all credibility in combating a future real threat.&#8221;<br />
- &#8220;But he&#8217;s against abortion !&#8221;</p>
<p>Fools to the left of me, jokers to the right&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/03/happy-4th-of-july/#comment-27063</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;Right: you must negate the community-hood of America in order for your argument to hang together. Eye roll or not, that is closely analogous to negating the personhood of the foetus in order for the pro-abortion argument to hold together.&lt;/I&gt;

To be more precise, I am not denying the &quot;community-hood&quot; of america, but arguing that the united states is not a particular type of community. 

What is your point exactly? Is there a point? Or are you simply seeking to conjure up the emotions linked to abortion to bolster your own position? It&#039;s a bizarre association to make, unless a mere emotional response is what you&#039;re after. 

(Not all pro-abortion arguments deny the personhood of the fetus, by the way.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Right: you must negate the community-hood of America in order for your argument to hang together. Eye roll or not, that is closely analogous to negating the personhood of the foetus in order for the pro-abortion argument to hold together.</i></p>
<p>To be more precise, I am not denying the &#8220;community-hood&#8221; of america, but arguing that the united states is not a particular type of community. </p>
<p>What is your point exactly? Is there a point? Or are you simply seeking to conjure up the emotions linked to abortion to bolster your own position? It&#8217;s a bizarre association to make, unless a mere emotional response is what you&#8217;re after. </p>
<p>(Not all pro-abortion arguments deny the personhood of the fetus, by the way.)</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/03/happy-4th-of-july/#comment-27060</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael yes I was not very clear as to the scripture verse

To be more clear what Christ  is talking about and teaching about has nothing to with a supposed &quot;foundational myth of violence and the sacrifices of soldiering which parody the Cross&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael yes I was not very clear as to the scripture verse</p>
<p>To be more clear what Christ  is talking about and teaching about has nothing to with a supposed &#8220;foundational myth of violence and the sacrifices of soldiering which parody the Cross&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/03/happy-4th-of-july/#comment-27058</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;But it is not a community in any real sense, at least in terms of how I understand “community.”&lt;/i&gt;

Right: you must negate the community-hood of America in order for your argument to hang together.  Eye roll or not, that is closely analogous to negating the personhood of the foetus in order for the pro-abortion argument to hold together.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But it is not a community in any real sense, at least in terms of how I understand “community.”</i></p>
<p>Right: you must negate the community-hood of America in order for your argument to hang together.  Eye roll or not, that is closely analogous to negating the personhood of the foetus in order for the pro-abortion argument to hold together.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/03/happy-4th-of-july/#comment-27056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;“And on the day that the rest of the united states celebrates its foundational myth of violence and the sacrifices of soldiering which parody the Cross, let us be ever more formed by the words of Jesus in the Gospel reading for July 4th: “Go and learn the meaning of the words, I desire mercy, not sacrifice.”

I just noticed this was not addressed. Matthew is realting what Jesus said that had personal significance to him no doubt as a person. Christ is basically say as to the scene here that the Pharisees’ are reacting too is .Christ is saying e want to be merciful, not to condemn and that he wants to save the sinner not sacrifice him&lt;/I&gt;

As this comment is largely unintelligible, I suppose that part of my post remains &quot;unaddressed.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“And on the day that the rest of the united states celebrates its foundational myth of violence and the sacrifices of soldiering which parody the Cross, let us be ever more formed by the words of Jesus in the Gospel reading for July 4th: “Go and learn the meaning of the words, I desire mercy, not sacrifice.”</p>
<p>I just noticed this was not addressed. Matthew is realting what Jesus said that had personal significance to him no doubt as a person. Christ is basically say as to the scene here that the Pharisees’ are reacting too is .Christ is saying e want to be merciful, not to condemn and that he wants to save the sinner not sacrifice him</i></p>
<p>As this comment is largely unintelligible, I suppose that part of my post remains &#8220;unaddressed.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/07/03/happy-4th-of-july/#comment-27055</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;And, obviously, it isn’t the issue of the liturgical calendar per se which is in bad taste.&lt;/I&gt;

But obviously this is the subject of my post, so why say that the post is in bad taste?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And, obviously, it isn’t the issue of the liturgical calendar per se which is in bad taste.</i></p>
<p>But obviously this is the subject of my post, so why say that the post is in bad taste?</p>
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