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  1. Greg permalink
    June 12, 2008 3:00 pm

    I wish you would focus your intellect less on M Novak, D Hudson, RJ Neuhaus and more on the Church Fathers & Doctors.

  2. Nate permalink
    June 12, 2008 3:08 pm

    Good job, Policraticus. Keep it up!

    “No one sins alone. No one is saved alone.” – Spe Salvi

  3. Morning's Minion permalink*
    June 12, 2008 3:24 pm

    Fascinating and revealing.

    It is quite clear that Hudson’s Catholicism is shallow. He can’t even tell the difference between a priest and a deacon!

    His attacks on the peace and economic justice pastorals are revealing. With these guys, no matter what they say, it’s not just about abortion. It;s not even laregly abour abortion. It’s about a wholesale embrace of the modern Republican agenda began under Reagan — where Catholic teachings on war and economic justice become an embarrasssment.

    Clearly, he still thinks like a “them-and-us” Calvinist.

  4. Katerina permalink*
    June 12, 2008 3:30 pm

    I wish you would focus your intellect less on M Novak, D Hudson, RJ Neuhaus and more on the Church Fathers & Doctors.

    Hehehehe… sorry I couldn’t help but laugh after reading this… Having dated Poli for almost 3 years now and knowing how he knows the Fathers inside and out :) I think it is exactly because he knows the Fathers that he sees the need to dispel the myths of Novak, Hudson Neuhaus and co. because they are so completely out of touch with Catholic tradition.

  5. Mark DeFrancisis permalink*
    June 12, 2008 3:31 pm

    Excellent piece, Policraticus. But please do not suffer through many more of these types of work. You have been very fair and most charitable with them, but there is so, so much better stuff out there to read and so little time.

  6. June 12, 2008 4:11 pm

    I’m pretty sure Poli would rather that Catholics read the Church fathers over Novak and his merry band as well.

  7. June 12, 2008 5:51 pm

    Hudson has his problems, and I agree that contentions such as his need to be sourced.

    But the fact is – you weren’t around then, Poli. Or at least you were just a child, correct?

    Trust someone who lived through this period of the church’s history.

    These documents are endlessly presented to us in parishes, there were “listening” sessions and priests were supposed to preach about them, and Bernardin was on the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour….

    And in the end, I think a survey done in the early or mid-90′s showed that maybe 15% of American Catholics even knew these pastoral letters existed.

    And meanwhile, catechesis was collapsing. As in catechesis on the basics of the faith, producing a generation of kids who barely knew their prayers – kids who are now bringing (if we’re lucky) their own kids for baptismal preparation not even knowing that there are seven sacraments.

    The point is mispent resources, Poli. Bishops can say things about politics and economics and social arrangements. I’m not against that.

    But in these glory days, a huge amount of energy went into these matters, both on the national level and on the parish level, while basic catechesis and spiritual formation were abandoned.

  8. Mark DeFrancisis permalink*
    June 12, 2008 6:06 pm

    Terry,

    I lived through those times too. But it was broader secularization of the times and Catholics specifically moving out of ethnic “ghetto” cultures and into mainstrem America– not the effort and time spent on unread pastoral letters– that were the deeper causes for what you lament today.

    Your narrative is far too simplistic, and most suspectible to further ideological exploitation from the American right.

    Dig deeper.

  9. Brendan permalink
    June 12, 2008 7:47 pm

    Bravo! Excellent critique of Hudson’s Southern Fried Catholicism. I look forward to the next installment.

  10. Policraticus permalink*
    June 12, 2008 7:58 pm

    These documents are endlessly presented to us in parishes, there were “listening” sessions and priests were supposed to preach about them, and Bernardin was on the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour….

    And in the end, I think a survey done in the early or mid-90’s showed that maybe 15% of American Catholics even knew these pastoral letters existed.

    And meanwhile, catechesis was collapsing. As in catechesis on the basics of the faith, producing a generation of kids who barely knew their prayers – kids who are now bringing (if we’re lucky) their own kids for baptismal preparation not even knowing that there are seven sacraments.

    And all this proves Hudson’s point that the U.S. bishops were liberal Democrats how? The point of dispute is not how effective the bishops’ statements were (heck, Hudson doesn’t seem to even know John Paul II’s encyclicals!), but on what grounds one can say that the bishops’ moved to the political Left after the Carter administration.

  11. Daniel H. Conway permalink
    June 12, 2008 9:06 pm

    “Trust someone who lived through this period of the church’s history.”

    This was a difficult period of history. In general, JP2 and Joseph Ratzinger snubbed Romero and left him alone-he died isolated and alienated from the Vatican. The US continued to support the El Salvadoran government (that would be St. Ronald Reagan’s group) and then they wiped out the Jesuit rectory at UCA in San Salvador. With more than minor “consultations” to these murderers. And the Vatican kept their priests folks at arm’s length. Terry Schiavo got more support.

    And Weigel and Novak supported the other “team”-the side of the aisle that supported the rape and murder of Church workers-priests, lay, and nuns. Without any reflection or repentance on these matters over twenty years.

    The official Church-for example Pio Laghi (later named a Cardinal) used to play tennis with individuals in his files-individuals clearly identified as closely affiliated with dozens if not hundreds of murders. Years later he found himself explaining this to the mothers of these murdered individuals.

    The official Church may have not spoken clearly enough and instead pandered to power. And that truly may be the catechetical crisis that is now faced. Weigel and Novak got free reign running around the Vatican and promoting the support of US policy and its client thugs. And if one worked with the poor and suggested that they were oppressed, one was treated with suspicion in these same halls.

    The Church is receiving its harvest of souls from this time period. The lack of catechism was not the problem. It was the failure to embrace the witness of the saints.

    Decrying the fallacious leadership, disreputable authority, and disgraceful example of Weigel, Fessio, Novak, Hudson, and Neuhaus will only improve catechism-driving discussions into areas of what our faith demands. As opposed to what improves our stock portfolio.

  12. Policraticus permalink*
    June 12, 2008 9:27 pm

    Decrying the fallacious leadership, disreputable authority, and disgraceful example of Weigel, Fessio, Novak, Hudson, and Neuhaus will only improve catechism-driving discussions into areas of what our faith demands.

    I have high hope for the Catholic Church in the U.S. as the influence of the “Reagan Democrats” continues to wane. Fortunately, their legacy will be forgotten like a puff of smoke over the burning timbers of true Catholic faith and works. The U.S. Church endured the “Concilium” Catholics in the seminaries and universities during the ’60s and ’70s, and we’re almost done with the reactionary neocon Catholics of the ’80s and ’90s. Both boast of promoting the “true” faith of Vatican II. Just as the first group became extinct, so too will the latter due to lack of intellectual and organized successors. The “Springtime” of John Paul II is finally beginning…

  13. Daniel H. Conway permalink
    June 12, 2008 10:23 pm

    I think JP2 is a significant and great pope-but he did have dramatic errors. The Springtime of JP2 is past. He had 25 years. The bishops and priests of the disastrous years mentioned are his appointees. Debacles occurred and were promulgated under his leadership. He let the Weigels and the Novaks run free in his Vatican. And he alienated the Romeros.

    JP2 had a mixed leadership. The Weigels, Novaks, and Neuhaus’s thrived under him. Neuhaus proclaimed special closeness to him just within the past few months. Latin America and its Church eroded under him. Politically, he was relegated by these same so-called supporters to some ethereal reality as they ignored his pleas to avoid war, emasculating his political opinions. Which did nothing to erode their supposed authority or access to him or the Vatican.

    Maybe its time for something new. Spring had long passed.

    Lets give B16 a chance. Lets dare to acknowledge leadership as something that happens, not just as an historical reality, but in “real time.”

  14. Daniel H. Conway permalink
    June 12, 2008 10:25 pm

    And many of us educated during the “concilium phase,” those evil 1970′s, learned our catechism. Felt banners and all.

  15. Winston D permalink
    June 13, 2008 4:58 pm

    “The U.S. Church endured the “Concilium” Catholics in the seminaries and universities during the ’60s and ’70s, and we’re almost done with the reactionary neocon Catholics of the ’80s and ’90s. Both boast of promoting the “true” faith of Vatican II. Just as the first group became extinct, so too will the latter due to lack of intellectual and organized successors. The “Springtime” of John Paul II is finally beginning…”

    Careful Poli, you sound just like the ‘concilium’ and ‘neocons’ before you, and I am not sure what evidence you are pointing to that the ‘Springtime’ of John Paul II is finally beginning (assuming it’s not yourself). Certainly few of your co-contributors display the type of disciplined reasoning necessary to fairly address an issue. You keep odd company if a Springtime, detached from an excessive politicization of the faith is your goal.

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