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  1. Chase permalink
    May 5, 2008 8:39 am

    I guess what I have difficulty understanding in this discussion are the times in which the right (say, to health care) would have to yield to another element of the common good. The right to health care isn’t a right to any procedure, some because they are contrary to superior rights (abortion), others because they don’t contribute to the common good or human flourishing (plastic surgery). I’m concerned that the exception you articulate provides a convenient way for people to assert the right to health care doesn’t matter if it makes taxes too high.

  2. Morning's Minion permalink*
    May 5, 2008 9:49 am

    In CST, a right is indeed something accord with the common good, with human dignity, aligned with the law of God.

    The American conception of “rights” is instead based individual automony and the social contract. Instead of society, the starting point is a collection of automous agents. The outcomes may overlap (religious freedom for example), but the premises are very different.

  3. May 5, 2008 12:14 pm

    Blackadder,

    Where do you get the conception that “In America, rights are generally thought of as being trumps against the common good?”

    Isn’t the traditional understanding that rights exist to protect minority factions from tyrannical majorities that would take basic freedoms taken away? And in this sense, do not these rights serve perhaps the most basic component of the common good?

    I’m sure there is something of a distinction between the way the two terms are used, but I think in this post you may be conflating the will of the majority with the common good.

  4. May 5, 2008 12:32 pm

    Good analysis.

    I’ve always thought rights language is a blunt instrument, too often used by people unaware of its equivocations. Some Catholics are so eager to speak in the common political dialect of rights that they don’t consider how necessary it is to broaden the debate beyond what can be talked about in terms of rights.

    For instance, there’s a weak rejoinder to in debates about adoptions or single parenthood that talks about the right of a child to grow up with both a mother and a father. While that is a “right” to an extent, there are a lot of other reasons that need to be discussed.

    Rights language often presupposes individual autonomy, so talk about the right to life in the abortion debate can’t often vanquish talk about the right of a woman to “control her body.” It’s assertion vs. counterassertion.

    Rather than focus upon these adversarial rights, broadening the terms of the abortion debate to include consideration of motherhood and fatherhood, hospitality, and care for the weak is a good idea.

  5. Michael Enright permalink
    May 5, 2008 1:57 pm

    MM–

    I’m not sure that rights talk in America is necessarily based on the social contract idea. It is more likely that it is based on a historical fear of political power and authority, and comes out of an experience where centralized political authority is not trusted. Even if that power thinks of itself as acting in the “common good”, that is not necessarily so (often, the “common good” is a rationalization for what is in the powerfull political class’ interest), and therefore there are limits to what the state should be able to do to advance the “common good”. The common good is seen to require limiting state power, because a limited government can only cause limited harm. If the power of the state is the power of the ruling class, it only stands that the power of the ruling class should be limited so they can only do limited damage.

    I think CST appears to place a trust in political power and authority. This is a trust that, unfortunately, I do not share. It does not appear to fear centralized state power, and therefore does not seem to deal with the above concerns.

  6. May 5, 2008 11:18 pm

    Blackadder,

    Am I that wrong? : )

    I found an absolutely excellent and compelling lecture that is somewhat related to this topic but is a must listen, please listen if you get a chance. I’m thinking of transcribing it because it’s so great.

    Poli, if by chance you read this, you should give a listen too!

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