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	<title>Comments on: Vox Nova at the Movies: Expelled</title>
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		<title>By: Pauli Ojala</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/21/vox-nova-at-the-movies-expelled/#comment-20272</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pauli Ojala]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ben(jamin) Stein is under heavy artillery for &#039;exaggerating&#039; or &#039;going easy&#039; on the influence of evolutionism behind Nazism and Stalinism (super evolution of Lysenkoism in the Soviet Russia). But the monstrous Haeckelian type of vulgar evolutionism drove not only the &#039;Politics-is-applied-biology&#039; Nazi takeover in the continental Europe, but even the nationalistic collision at the World War I. It was Charles Darwin himself, who praised and raised the monstrous German Ernst Haeckel with his still recycled embryo drawing frauds etc. in the spotlight as the greatest authority in the field of human evolution, even in the preface to his Descent of man in 1871. If Thomas Henry Huxley with his concept of &#039;agnostism&#039; was Darwins bulldog in England, Haeckel was his Rotweiler in Germany.

&#039;Kampf&#039; was a direct translation of &#039;struggle&#039; from On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life (1859). Seinen Kampf. His application.

Catch 22: Haeckel&#039;s 140 years old fake embryo drawings have been mindlessly recycled for the &#039;public understanding of science&#039; (PUS) in most biology text books until this millennium. Despite factum est that Haeckel&#039;s crackpot raging Recapitulation/Biogenetic Law and functioning gill slits of human embryos have been at the ethical tangent race hygiene/eugenics/genocide, infanticide, and Freudian psychoanalysis (subconscious atavisms). Dawkins is the Oxford professor for PUS - and should gather the courage of Stephen Jay Gould who could feel ashamed about it.

Some edited quotes from my conference posters and articles defended and published in the field of bioethics and history of biology (and underline/edit them a &#039;bit&#039;):
http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Asian_Bioethics.pdf 
http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Haeckelianlegacy_ABC5.pdf

The marriage laws were once erected not only in the Nazi Germany but also in the multicultural states of America upon the speculation that the mulatto was a relatively sterile and shortlived hybrid. The absence of blood transfusion between &quot;white&quot; and &quot;colored races&quot; was self evident (Hailer 1963, p. 52).

The first law on sterilization in US had been established in 1907 in Indiana, and 23 similar laws had been passed in 15 States and sterilization was practiced in 124 institutions in 1921 (Mattila 1996; Hietala 1985 p. 133; these were the times of IQ-tests under Gould&#039;s scrutiny in his Mismeasure of Man 1981). By 1931 thirty states had passed sterization laws in the US (Reilly 1991, p. 87). Typically, the operations hit blacks the most in the US, poor women in the Europe, and often the victims were never even told they had been sterilized.

Mendelism outweighed recapitulation (embryos climbing up their evolutionary tree through fish-, amphibian- and reptilian stages), but that merely smoothened the way for the brutal 1930’s biolegislation - that quickly penetrated practically all Western countries. The laws were copied from country to country. The A-B-O blood groups, haemophilia, eye colours etc. were found to be inherited in a Mendelian fashion by 1910. So also the complex traits and social (mis)behaviour such as alcoholism, schizophrenia, manic depression, criminality, rebelliousness, artistic sense, pauperism, racial differences, inherited scholarship (and its converse, feeble-mindedness) were all thought to be determined by one or two genes. Mendelism was &quot;experimental&quot; and quantitative, and its exaggeration outweighed the more cautious biometry operating on smaller variations, not discontinuous leaps. Its advocates boldly claimed that these problems could be done away within a few generations through selection, persisted (although most biologists must have known that defective genes could not be eliminated, even with the most intense forced sterilizations and marriage restrictions due to recessive genes and synergism. Nevertheless, these laws were held until 1970&#039;s and were typically changed only when the abortion legislation were released (1973).

So the American laws were pioneering endeavours. In Europe Denmark passed the first sterilization legislation in Europe (1929). Denmark was followed by Switzerland, Germany that had felt to the hands of Hitler and Gobineu, and other Nordic countries: Norway (1934), Sweden (1935), Finland (1935), and Iceland (1938 ) (Haller 1963, pp 21-57; 135-9; Proctor 1988, p. 97; Reilly 1991, p. 109). Seldom is it mentioned in the popular media, that the first outright race biological institution in the world was not established in Germany but in 1921 in Uppsala, Sweden (Hietala 1985, pp. 109). (I am not aware of the ethymology of the &#039;Up&#039; of the ancient city from Plinius&#039; Ultima Thule, however.) In 1907 the Society for Racial Hygiene in Germany had changed its name to the Internationale Gesellschaft für Rassenhygiene, and in 1910 Swedish Society for Eugenics (Sällskap för Rashygien) had become its first foreign affiliate (Proctor 1988, p. 17). Today, Swedish state church is definitely the most liberal in the face of the world.

Hitler&#039;s formulation of the differences between the human races was affected by the brilliant sky-blue eyed Ernst Haeckel (Gasman 1971, p. xxii), praised and raised by Darwin. At the top of the unilinear progression were usually the &quot;Nordics&quot;, a tall race of blue-eyed blonds. Haeckel&#039;s position on the &#039;Judenfrage&#039; was assimilation and Expelled-command from their university chairs, not yet an open elimination. But was it different only in degree, rather than kind?

In 1917 the immigration of &quot;defective&quot; groups was forbidden even in the United States by a law. In 1921 the European immigration was diminished to 3% based on the 1910 census. Eventually, in the strategical year of 1924 the finest hour of eugenics had come and the fatal law was passed by Congress. It diminished immigration to 2% of the foreign-born from each country based on the 1890 census in order to preserve the &quot;nordic&quot; balance in population, and was hold through World War II until 1965 (Hietala 1985, p. 132).

Richard Lewontin writes:“The leading American idealogue of the innate mental inferiority of the working class was, however, H.H. Goddard, a pioneer of the mental testing movement, the discoverer of the Kallikak family,
and the administrant of IQ-tests to immigrants that found 83 % of the Jews, 80% of the Hungarians, 79% of the Italians, and 87% of the the Russians to be feebleminded.” (1977, p. 13.) Regarding us Finns, Finnish emmigrants put the cross on the box reserved for the &quot;yellow&quot; group (Kemiläinen 1993, p. 1930), until 1965.

Germany was the most scientifically and culturally advanced nation of the world upon opening the riddles at the close of the nineteenth century. And she went Full Monty.

Today, developmental biologists are anticipating legislation of laws that would define the do’s and dont’s. In England, they are fertilizing human embryos for research purposes and pipetting chimera embryos of humans and monkeys, &#039;legally&#039;. The legislation should not distract individual researchers from their personal awareness of responsibility. A permissive law merely defines the ethical minimum. The lesson is that a law is no substitute for morals and that dissidents should not be intimidated.

I am suspicious over the burial of the Kampf (Struggle). The idea of competition is innate in the modern society. It is the the opposite view in a 180 degree angle to the Judaeo-Christian ideal of agapee (contra epithumia, eros, filia &amp; storge) (ahava in Hebrew), that I personally cheriss. The latter sees free giving, altruism, benevolence and self sacrificing love as the beginning, motivation, and sustainer of the reality.

pauli.ojala@gmail.com
Biochemist, drop-out (Master of Sciing)
http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Expelled-ID.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben(jamin) Stein is under heavy artillery for &#8216;exaggerating&#8217; or &#8216;going easy&#8217; on the influence of evolutionism behind Nazism and Stalinism (super evolution of Lysenkoism in the Soviet Russia). But the monstrous Haeckelian type of vulgar evolutionism drove not only the &#8216;Politics-is-applied-biology&#8217; Nazi takeover in the continental Europe, but even the nationalistic collision at the World War I. It was Charles Darwin himself, who praised and raised the monstrous German Ernst Haeckel with his still recycled embryo drawing frauds etc. in the spotlight as the greatest authority in the field of human evolution, even in the preface to his Descent of man in 1871. If Thomas Henry Huxley with his concept of &#8216;agnostism&#8217; was Darwins bulldog in England, Haeckel was his Rotweiler in Germany.</p>
<p>&#8216;Kampf&#8217; was a direct translation of &#8216;struggle&#8217; from On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life (1859). Seinen Kampf. His application.</p>
<p>Catch 22: Haeckel&#8217;s 140 years old fake embryo drawings have been mindlessly recycled for the &#8216;public understanding of science&#8217; (PUS) in most biology text books until this millennium. Despite factum est that Haeckel&#8217;s crackpot raging Recapitulation/Biogenetic Law and functioning gill slits of human embryos have been at the ethical tangent race hygiene/eugenics/genocide, infanticide, and Freudian psychoanalysis (subconscious atavisms). Dawkins is the Oxford professor for PUS &#8211; and should gather the courage of Stephen Jay Gould who could feel ashamed about it.</p>
<p>Some edited quotes from my conference posters and articles defended and published in the field of bioethics and history of biology (and underline/edit them a &#8216;bit&#8217;):<br />
<a href="http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Asian_Bioethics.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Asian_Bioethics.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Haeckelianlegacy_ABC5.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Haeckelianlegacy_ABC5.pdf</a></p>
<p>The marriage laws were once erected not only in the Nazi Germany but also in the multicultural states of America upon the speculation that the mulatto was a relatively sterile and shortlived hybrid. The absence of blood transfusion between &#8220;white&#8221; and &#8220;colored races&#8221; was self evident (Hailer 1963, p. 52).</p>
<p>The first law on sterilization in US had been established in 1907 in Indiana, and 23 similar laws had been passed in 15 States and sterilization was practiced in 124 institutions in 1921 (Mattila 1996; Hietala 1985 p. 133; these were the times of IQ-tests under Gould&#8217;s scrutiny in his Mismeasure of Man 1981). By 1931 thirty states had passed sterization laws in the US (Reilly 1991, p. 87). Typically, the operations hit blacks the most in the US, poor women in the Europe, and often the victims were never even told they had been sterilized.</p>
<p>Mendelism outweighed recapitulation (embryos climbing up their evolutionary tree through fish-, amphibian- and reptilian stages), but that merely smoothened the way for the brutal 1930’s biolegislation &#8211; that quickly penetrated practically all Western countries. The laws were copied from country to country. The A-B-O blood groups, haemophilia, eye colours etc. were found to be inherited in a Mendelian fashion by 1910. So also the complex traits and social (mis)behaviour such as alcoholism, schizophrenia, manic depression, criminality, rebelliousness, artistic sense, pauperism, racial differences, inherited scholarship (and its converse, feeble-mindedness) were all thought to be determined by one or two genes. Mendelism was &#8220;experimental&#8221; and quantitative, and its exaggeration outweighed the more cautious biometry operating on smaller variations, not discontinuous leaps. Its advocates boldly claimed that these problems could be done away within a few generations through selection, persisted (although most biologists must have known that defective genes could not be eliminated, even with the most intense forced sterilizations and marriage restrictions due to recessive genes and synergism. Nevertheless, these laws were held until 1970&#8242;s and were typically changed only when the abortion legislation were released (1973).</p>
<p>So the American laws were pioneering endeavours. In Europe Denmark passed the first sterilization legislation in Europe (1929). Denmark was followed by Switzerland, Germany that had felt to the hands of Hitler and Gobineu, and other Nordic countries: Norway (1934), Sweden (1935), Finland (1935), and Iceland (1938 ) (Haller 1963, pp 21-57; 135-9; Proctor 1988, p. 97; Reilly 1991, p. 109). Seldom is it mentioned in the popular media, that the first outright race biological institution in the world was not established in Germany but in 1921 in Uppsala, Sweden (Hietala 1985, pp. 109). (I am not aware of the ethymology of the &#8216;Up&#8217; of the ancient city from Plinius&#8217; Ultima Thule, however.) In 1907 the Society for Racial Hygiene in Germany had changed its name to the Internationale Gesellschaft für Rassenhygiene, and in 1910 Swedish Society for Eugenics (Sällskap för Rashygien) had become its first foreign affiliate (Proctor 1988, p. 17). Today, Swedish state church is definitely the most liberal in the face of the world.</p>
<p>Hitler&#8217;s formulation of the differences between the human races was affected by the brilliant sky-blue eyed Ernst Haeckel (Gasman 1971, p. xxii), praised and raised by Darwin. At the top of the unilinear progression were usually the &#8220;Nordics&#8221;, a tall race of blue-eyed blonds. Haeckel&#8217;s position on the &#8216;Judenfrage&#8217; was assimilation and Expelled-command from their university chairs, not yet an open elimination. But was it different only in degree, rather than kind?</p>
<p>In 1917 the immigration of &#8220;defective&#8221; groups was forbidden even in the United States by a law. In 1921 the European immigration was diminished to 3% based on the 1910 census. Eventually, in the strategical year of 1924 the finest hour of eugenics had come and the fatal law was passed by Congress. It diminished immigration to 2% of the foreign-born from each country based on the 1890 census in order to preserve the &#8220;nordic&#8221; balance in population, and was hold through World War II until 1965 (Hietala 1985, p. 132).</p>
<p>Richard Lewontin writes:“The leading American idealogue of the innate mental inferiority of the working class was, however, H.H. Goddard, a pioneer of the mental testing movement, the discoverer of the Kallikak family,<br />
and the administrant of IQ-tests to immigrants that found 83 % of the Jews, 80% of the Hungarians, 79% of the Italians, and 87% of the the Russians to be feebleminded.” (1977, p. 13.) Regarding us Finns, Finnish emmigrants put the cross on the box reserved for the &#8220;yellow&#8221; group (Kemiläinen 1993, p. 1930), until 1965.</p>
<p>Germany was the most scientifically and culturally advanced nation of the world upon opening the riddles at the close of the nineteenth century. And she went Full Monty.</p>
<p>Today, developmental biologists are anticipating legislation of laws that would define the do’s and dont’s. In England, they are fertilizing human embryos for research purposes and pipetting chimera embryos of humans and monkeys, &#8216;legally&#8217;. The legislation should not distract individual researchers from their personal awareness of responsibility. A permissive law merely defines the ethical minimum. The lesson is that a law is no substitute for morals and that dissidents should not be intimidated.</p>
<p>I am suspicious over the burial of the Kampf (Struggle). The idea of competition is innate in the modern society. It is the the opposite view in a 180 degree angle to the Judaeo-Christian ideal of agapee (contra epithumia, eros, filia &amp; storge) (ahava in Hebrew), that I personally cheriss. The latter sees free giving, altruism, benevolence and self sacrificing love as the beginning, motivation, and sustainer of the reality.</p>
<p><a href="mailto:pauli.ojala@gmail.com">pauli.ojala@gmail.com</a><br />
Biochemist, drop-out (Master of Sciing)<br />
<a href="http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Expelled-ID.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Expelled-ID.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Dogma of Evolution &#171; Blackadder&#8217;s Lair</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/21/vox-nova-at-the-movies-expelled/#comment-19786</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Dogma of Evolution &#171; Blackadder&#8217;s Lair]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Dogma of&#160;Evolution As a follow-up to my Expelled review, I&#8217;ve long noticed that critics of evolution often talk about evolution being a [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Dogma of Evolution &#171; Vox Nova</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/21/vox-nova-at-the-movies-expelled/#comment-19785</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Dogma of Evolution &#171; Vox Nova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Dogma of&#160;Evolution  As a follow-up to my Expelled review, I&#8217;ve long noticed that critics of evolution often talk about evolution being a [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/21/vox-nova-at-the-movies-expelled/#comment-19543</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, based on my understanding of IDism, God kept a disarray of ledgers, notes and black board where he spent most of eternity pondering how each life and thing has to be made. And there was not a few nights that he jumped out of bed to make some modifications to his plans. Nobody can dispute that belief.

I have have my own belief that I guess nobody can dispute, too. That God, because he is God, simply flicked things into space and we see everything today.  And he gave us scientists to unravel and explain to us the laws that He put into each thing that makes them tick…how they were created by him…so man does not grope in ignorance. Survival of the fittest. Something will get to the Finish line first – incidentally that’s us. And I’m happy about that and can say no more. Is there somebody who can dispute that with something indisputable?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, based on my understanding of IDism, God kept a disarray of ledgers, notes and black board where he spent most of eternity pondering how each life and thing has to be made. And there was not a few nights that he jumped out of bed to make some modifications to his plans. Nobody can dispute that belief.</p>
<p>I have have my own belief that I guess nobody can dispute, too. That God, because he is God, simply flicked things into space and we see everything today.  And he gave us scientists to unravel and explain to us the laws that He put into each thing that makes them tick…how they were created by him…so man does not grope in ignorance. Survival of the fittest. Something will get to the Finish line first – incidentally that’s us. And I’m happy about that and can say no more. Is there somebody who can dispute that with something indisputable?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/21/vox-nova-at-the-movies-expelled/#comment-19417</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a rather brief and interesting read by a Thomist who is not a huge fan of Intelligent Design:
http://guweb2.gonzaga.edu/faculty/calhoun/socratic/Tkacz_AquinasvsID.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a rather brief and interesting read by a Thomist who is not a huge fan of Intelligent Design:<br />
<a href="http://guweb2.gonzaga.edu/faculty/calhoun/socratic/Tkacz_AquinasvsID.html" rel="nofollow">http://guweb2.gonzaga.edu/faculty/calhoun/socratic/Tkacz_AquinasvsID.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Augustinus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/21/vox-nova-at-the-movies-expelled/#comment-19384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald Augustinus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I only remembered the punchline :) I listened to all Izzard standups on the flight to Paris and now I&#039;m watching The Riches on my ipod touch :o) 

Surely you also know &#039;Cake or death&#039; and &#039;Pavlov&#039;s cats&#039; :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only remembered the punchline :) I listened to all Izzard standups on the flight to Paris and now I&#8217;m watching The Riches on my ipod touch :o) </p>
<p>Surely you also know &#8216;Cake or death&#8217; and &#8216;Pavlov&#8217;s cats&#8217; :)</p>
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		<title>By: Blackadder</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/21/vox-nova-at-the-movies-expelled/#comment-19382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blackadder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eddie Izzard is a funny man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie Izzard is a funny man.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Augustinus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/21/vox-nova-at-the-movies-expelled/#comment-19377</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald Augustinus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guy goes into the Confessional...&#039;Bless me Father, for I have sinned...I looked with lust at women, I stole my neighbor&#039;s newspaper and missed Mass last Sunday&#039; 
Priest sighs to himself, &#039;If only someone would come with an original sin.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy goes into the Confessional&#8230;&#8217;Bless me Father, for I have sinned&#8230;I looked with lust at women, I stole my neighbor&#8217;s newspaper and missed Mass last Sunday&#8217;<br />
Priest sighs to himself, &#8216;If only someone would come with an original sin.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Alyosha</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/21/vox-nova-at-the-movies-expelled/#comment-19366</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alyosha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Adam and Eve myth in the Bible was not taken as an aetiological account for sin&#039;s entrance and transmission in the world until St. Augustine.  In the Jewish faith, the figure of Adam does not play centrally at all like he does whenever NT commentator&#039;s read into Paul&#039;s reintroduction of him. 

And transmision through proprogation is NOT a doctrine of the faith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Adam and Eve myth in the Bible was not taken as an aetiological account for sin&#8217;s entrance and transmission in the world until St. Augustine.  In the Jewish faith, the figure of Adam does not play centrally at all like he does whenever NT commentator&#8217;s read into Paul&#8217;s reintroduction of him. </p>
<p>And transmision through proprogation is NOT a doctrine of the faith.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/21/vox-nova-at-the-movies-expelled/#comment-19361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GA,

Quie the contrary, failure to take certain elements of the Adam and Eve story literaly, namley that all are descendant from one set of human parents, could lead to the suspension of one&#039;s faculties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GA,</p>
<p>Quie the contrary, failure to take certain elements of the Adam and Eve story literaly, namley that all are descendant from one set of human parents, could lead to the suspension of one&#8217;s faculties.</p>
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		<title>By: Alyosha</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/21/vox-nova-at-the-movies-expelled/#comment-19359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alyosha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I for one do not think that the eternal state of my soul is at risk over the issue of affirming that original sin occurred solely in one historic man  &quot;and that all sinned in him.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one do not think that the eternal state of my soul is at risk over the issue of affirming that original sin occurred solely in one historic man  &#8220;and that all sinned in him.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Augustinus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/21/vox-nova-at-the-movies-expelled/#comment-19358</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald Augustinus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Taking the Adam and Eve story literally would take quite a suspension of one&#039;s faculties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking the Adam and Eve story literally would take quite a suspension of one&#8217;s faculties.</p>
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