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		<title>By: How to Feed the Poor &#171; Vox Nova</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/09/what-is-not-seen/#comment-21138</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How to Feed the Poor &#171; Vox Nova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to Feed the&#160;Poor  As I&#8217;ve noted previously, food prices are increasingly rapidly throughout the world, leading to civil unrest, and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to Feed the&nbsp;Poor  As I&#8217;ve noted previously, food prices are increasingly rapidly throughout the world, leading to civil unrest, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How to Feed the Poor &#171; Blackadder&#8217;s Lair</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/09/what-is-not-seen/#comment-21130</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How to Feed the Poor &#171; Blackadder&#8217;s Lair]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to Feed the&#160;Poor As I&#8217;ve noted previously, food prices are increasingly rapidly throughout the world, leading to civil unrest, and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to Feed the&nbsp;Poor As I&#8217;ve noted previously, food prices are increasingly rapidly throughout the world, leading to civil unrest, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: From Green Saviors to Bio-Fools &#171; Blackadder&#8217;s Lair</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/09/what-is-not-seen/#comment-19169</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[From Green Saviors to Bio-Fools &#171; Blackadder&#8217;s Lair]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Green Saviors to&#160;Bio-Fools It looks like I may have been on the cutting edge on this one:  Hailed until only months ago as a silver bullet in the fight against global warming, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Green Saviors to&nbsp;Bio-Fools It looks like I may have been on the cutting edge on this one:  Hailed until only months ago as a silver bullet in the fight against global warming, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: From Green Saviors to Bio-Fools &#171; Vox Nova</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/09/what-is-not-seen/#comment-19168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[From Green Saviors to Bio-Fools &#171; Vox Nova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Green Saviors to&#160;Bio-Fools  It looks like I may have been on the cutting edge on this one:  Hailed until only months ago as a silver bullet in the fight against global warming, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Green Saviors to&nbsp;Bio-Fools  It looks like I may have been on the cutting edge on this one:  Hailed until only months ago as a silver bullet in the fight against global warming, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Third</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/09/what-is-not-seen/#comment-18051</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Third]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;do you think that would have any positive effect on the problems of food costs that were mentioned by the OP?&quot;

Possibly. By ending subsidies and taxing carbon, we&#039;d allow the truly cost-effective alternative fuels to survive. It may not be ethanol. We should also lift tariffs on the importation of ethanol. Specifically, Brazilian sugar-based ethanol.


&quot;I’m rather cool toward the idea of a carbon tax (even a revenue neutral one), for the reasons given here.&quot;

His arguments in order:
1. Of course it&#039;s politically infeasible. That&#039;s no reason to oppose it though.
2. Inability to internalize all externalities should not mean that we shouldn&#039;t internalize any.
3. His third argument is to wait until things get worse?! Why wait until just 2050 as he says we should. Why not wait until 2100 while we&#039;re at it?
4. We already tax fossil fuels so the added compliance costs would be minimal. Also, we can offset it, not with a tax reduce elsewhere but eliminate a tax altogether or eliminate a government program. But so what if there&#039;s deadweight loss? That argument can only be used if a more efficient alternative can be offered that achieves the same goals. If the mere existence of &quot;deadweight loss&quot; is a deal killer, we&#039;d have no government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;do you think that would have any positive effect on the problems of food costs that were mentioned by the OP?&#8221;</p>
<p>Possibly. By ending subsidies and taxing carbon, we&#8217;d allow the truly cost-effective alternative fuels to survive. It may not be ethanol. We should also lift tariffs on the importation of ethanol. Specifically, Brazilian sugar-based ethanol.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m rather cool toward the idea of a carbon tax (even a revenue neutral one), for the reasons given here.&#8221;</p>
<p>His arguments in order:<br />
1. Of course it&#8217;s politically infeasible. That&#8217;s no reason to oppose it though.<br />
2. Inability to internalize all externalities should not mean that we shouldn&#8217;t internalize any.<br />
3. His third argument is to wait until things get worse?! Why wait until just 2050 as he says we should. Why not wait until 2100 while we&#8217;re at it?<br />
4. We already tax fossil fuels so the added compliance costs would be minimal. Also, we can offset it, not with a tax reduce elsewhere but eliminate a tax altogether or eliminate a government program. But so what if there&#8217;s deadweight loss? That argument can only be used if a more efficient alternative can be offered that achieves the same goals. If the mere existence of &#8220;deadweight loss&#8221; is a deal killer, we&#8217;d have no government.</p>
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		<title>By: asimplesinner</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/09/what-is-not-seen/#comment-18046</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;&lt;B&gt;&quot;Makes perfect sense. Burn food when there are hungry people.&quot;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt;

Not to be snarky, but that doesn&#039;t 100% follow.  I mean anyone who eats corn-fed beef knows that sometimes you use it in a fashion that doesn&#039;t put the corn directly on the table but the calories of it are used for the creation of protein or in this case fuel.  Not really an either/or proposition.  That being said, the ethanol scam is not something I really am prepared to defend - it is neither as helpful nor as efficient as promised... so we are left holding the bag on this one... 

Again!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>&#8220;Makes perfect sense. Burn food when there are hungry people.&#8221;</b></i></p>
<p>Not to be snarky, but that doesn&#8217;t 100% follow.  I mean anyone who eats corn-fed beef knows that sometimes you use it in a fashion that doesn&#8217;t put the corn directly on the table but the calories of it are used for the creation of protein or in this case fuel.  Not really an either/or proposition.  That being said, the ethanol scam is not something I really am prepared to defend &#8211; it is neither as helpful nor as efficient as promised&#8230; so we are left holding the bag on this one&#8230; </p>
<p>Again!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel H. Conway</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/09/what-is-not-seen/#comment-18042</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel H. Conway]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a more crass evaluation-isn&#039;t this just another way to throw government money towards the Red States? Like ditching Boeing for Aerobus contracts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a more crass evaluation-isn&#8217;t this just another way to throw government money towards the Red States? Like ditching Boeing for Aerobus contracts?</p>
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		<title>By: TeutonicTim</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/09/what-is-not-seen/#comment-18039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TeutonicTim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Makes perfect sense.  Burn food when there are hungry people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes perfect sense.  Burn food when there are hungry people.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackadder</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/09/what-is-not-seen/#comment-18032</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blackadder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m rather cool toward the idea of a carbon tax (even a revenue neutral one), for the reasons given &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theamericanscene.com/2007/12/05/coase-club&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. 

I&#039;m also skeptical about raising CAFE standards, which, like the ethanol subsidy, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/guest_commentary/lynch-cafe-standard-insanity.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;haven&#039;t exactly lived up to their hype&lt;/a&gt;.

I know, I know. I&#039;m just no fun at all. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m rather cool toward the idea of a carbon tax (even a revenue neutral one), for the reasons given <a href="http://www.theamericanscene.com/2007/12/05/coase-club" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also skeptical about raising CAFE standards, which, like the ethanol subsidy, <a href="http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/guest_commentary/lynch-cafe-standard-insanity.htm" rel="nofollow">haven&#8217;t exactly lived up to their hype</a>.</p>
<p>I know, I know. I&#8217;m just no fun at all.</p>
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		<title>By: asimplesinner</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/09/what-is-not-seen/#comment-18030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[asimplesinner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;&lt;B&gt;&quot;Great point. Having the government impose a disincentive for oil would be more effective. Revenue-neutral carbon tax!&quot;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt;

Just to be contrarian... do you think that would have any positive effect on the problems of food costs that were mentioned by the OP?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>&#8220;Great point. Having the government impose a disincentive for oil would be more effective. Revenue-neutral carbon tax!&#8221;</b></i></p>
<p>Just to be contrarian&#8230; do you think that would have any positive effect on the problems of food costs that were mentioned by the OP?</p>
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		<title>By: Third</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/09/what-is-not-seen/#comment-18028</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Third]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Having the government offer incentives for alternative power is what got us into the ethanol mess is the first place.&quot;

Great point. Having the government impose a disincentive for oil would be more effective. Revenue-neutral carbon tax!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Having the government offer incentives for alternative power is what got us into the ethanol mess is the first place.&#8221;</p>
<p>Great point. Having the government impose a disincentive for oil would be more effective. Revenue-neutral carbon tax!</p>
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		<title>By: Blackadder</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/04/09/what-is-not-seen/#comment-18025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blackadder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ethanol subsidy, sadly, is not the only example of a government program that doesn&#039;t quite live up to expectations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ethanol subsidy, sadly, is not the only example of a government program that doesn&#8217;t quite live up to expectations.</p>
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