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		<title>By: McCain has no problem with choosing a pro-choice running mate &#171; Vox Nova</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/02/13/whats-the-deal-with-deal/#comment-31751</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[McCain has no problem with choosing a pro-choice running mate &#171; Vox Nova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] concerned with abortion, embryonic stem cell research, and euthanasia. Well, McCain fully supports federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. McCain&#8217;s position on abortion is ambivalent at best [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] concerned with abortion, embryonic stem cell research, and euthanasia. Well, McCain fully supports federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. McCain&#8217;s position on abortion is ambivalent at best [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pro-lifers, we have hope! &#171; Vox Nova</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/02/13/whats-the-deal-with-deal/#comment-29804</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pro-lifers, we have hope! &#171; Vox Nova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] we have&#160;hope!  I have been especially hard on Sen. John McCain for his pro-death stance on embryonic stem cell research, and I will continue [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we have&nbsp;hope!  I have been especially hard on Sen. John McCain for his pro-death stance on embryonic stem cell research, and I will continue [...]</p>
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		<title>By: McCain&#8217;s record on abortion not so pristine &#171; Vox Nova</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/02/13/whats-the-deal-with-deal/#comment-25775</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[McCain&#8217;s record on abortion not so pristine &#171; Vox Nova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] know that McCain has a checkered record on life issues, having fully supported federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. That&#8217;s an issue that the pandering Hudson [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] know that McCain has a checkered record on life issues, having fully supported federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. That&#8217;s an issue that the pandering Hudson [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/02/13/whats-the-deal-with-deal/#comment-12192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christine,

&lt;i&gt;McCain cannot win against Clinton or Obama&lt;/i&gt;

Based on what?  Most polls show McCain beating Hillary handily, and too close to call on Obama, this is before the GOP (or Hillary) comes out with any serious attack on Obama&#039;s policies and background.

In any event, I would like to modify my thoughts on November, as Nathan has pointed out it &quot;the conservative movement needs to divorce the GOP&quot;, Alan Keyes has made me think about the possibility that the time is now.  

God Bless,

Matt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine,</p>
<p><i>McCain cannot win against Clinton or Obama</i></p>
<p>Based on what?  Most polls show McCain beating Hillary handily, and too close to call on Obama, this is before the GOP (or Hillary) comes out with any serious attack on Obama&#8217;s policies and background.</p>
<p>In any event, I would like to modify my thoughts on November, as Nathan has pointed out it &#8220;the conservative movement needs to divorce the GOP&#8221;, Alan Keyes has made me think about the possibility that the time is now.  </p>
<p>God Bless,</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Policraticus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/02/13/whats-the-deal-with-deal/#comment-12113</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Policraticus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Far be it from me to agree with Politicratus on anything… but he is 100% right.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, Matt, I think that you and I agree on far more than is manifest.  We&#039;re both attempting to be faithful to the call of Jesus Christ within his Church.  We&#039;re bound by the Blood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Far be it from me to agree with Politicratus on anything… but he is 100% right.</i></p>
<p>Well, Matt, I think that you and I agree on far more than is manifest.  We&#8217;re both attempting to be faithful to the call of Jesus Christ within his Church.  We&#8217;re bound by the Blood.</p>
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		<title>By: JC Hall</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/02/13/whats-the-deal-with-deal/#comment-12066</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JC Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;This is simple. Hudson is a republican hack pure and simple. he will twist catholic teaching as it suits depending on the occasion.&quot;

Amen, bro.  You took the words right out of my mouth.
Born again rapist turned GOP hack supports Republican nominee.
Isn&#039;t THAT a surprise!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is simple. Hudson is a republican hack pure and simple. he will twist catholic teaching as it suits depending on the occasion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen, bro.  You took the words right out of my mouth.<br />
Born again rapist turned GOP hack supports Republican nominee.<br />
Isn&#8217;t THAT a surprise!</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/02/13/whats-the-deal-with-deal/#comment-12050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[McCain has not yet won the nomination. If Huck and Paul together win enough delegates to keep him from getting the requisite number of votes, there is the possibility of a brokered convention, at which the delegates may vote for whom they want.

In any case, Republicans are being shortsighted, and looking only to the nomination, and not to the general election. &quot;10,000 years in Iraq&quot; McCain cannot win against Clinton or Obama; no one wants another war president. And McCain will be seen as extending the Bush administration a third term. As Pat Buchanan aptly put it, &quot;McCain will make Cheney look like Gandhi.&quot; McCain is unelectable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain has not yet won the nomination. If Huck and Paul together win enough delegates to keep him from getting the requisite number of votes, there is the possibility of a brokered convention, at which the delegates may vote for whom they want.</p>
<p>In any case, Republicans are being shortsighted, and looking only to the nomination, and not to the general election. &#8220;10,000 years in Iraq&#8221; McCain cannot win against Clinton or Obama; no one wants another war president. And McCain will be seen as extending the Bush administration a third term. As Pat Buchanan aptly put it, &#8220;McCain will make Cheney look like Gandhi.&#8221; McCain is unelectable.</p>
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		<title>By: nathancontramundi</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hadn&#039;t read Mr Hudson&#039;s infamous guide to voting Catholicly, but upon reading this post took that piece of his to task. Morning&#039;s Minion, it seems to me, has hit the proverbial nail on the head: Deal is just a Republican hack. Notice, though his guide uses the terms &quot;social justice&quot; five times and &quot;social teaching&quot; on four occasions, at no point bothers he to question any politician&#039;s economic policies. Clearly no issues ought to weigh more heavily that the life super-issue (abortion, ESCR, &amp;c.), but even amongst those of us agree on these points differences on economic issues separate us, some of us falling closer to Chesterbelloc, others, right or wrong (not necessarily to suggest that the Distributists were wholly on the mark), to, say Ronald Reagan. Some pro-lifers, doubtless, embrace wholly untenable socialist ideas. Mr Hudson makes great effort, though conceding that we &quot;have nothing to lose&quot; by ending it, to defend capital punishment from the Catholic perspective, but speaks nothing of wages, ownership, or other significant matters.

More relevant to the nature of this thread, though I believe that Huckabee, indeed, is the better choice vis-à-vis our concern for life (and I offer kudos to him for his George W. Bush &quot;bunker mentality&quot; comment: he might be  less inclined to send more troops to agitate more nations), I fear that he might be &quot;too Christian&quot; for some undecided, middle-of-the-road voters, whereas McCain, as we&#039;ve all seen, has benefitted greatly from their support. Perhaps, as the Taft Club (amongst others, no doubt), has contemplated, the conservative movement needs to divorce the GOP. For now, however, so long as this marriage continues, supporting McCain seems to be the most prudently practical choice.

In Notre Dame,
Nathan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t read Mr Hudson&#8217;s infamous guide to voting Catholicly, but upon reading this post took that piece of his to task. Morning&#8217;s Minion, it seems to me, has hit the proverbial nail on the head: Deal is just a Republican hack. Notice, though his guide uses the terms &#8220;social justice&#8221; five times and &#8220;social teaching&#8221; on four occasions, at no point bothers he to question any politician&#8217;s economic policies. Clearly no issues ought to weigh more heavily that the life super-issue (abortion, ESCR, &amp;c.), but even amongst those of us agree on these points differences on economic issues separate us, some of us falling closer to Chesterbelloc, others, right or wrong (not necessarily to suggest that the Distributists were wholly on the mark), to, say Ronald Reagan. Some pro-lifers, doubtless, embrace wholly untenable socialist ideas. Mr Hudson makes great effort, though conceding that we &#8220;have nothing to lose&#8221; by ending it, to defend capital punishment from the Catholic perspective, but speaks nothing of wages, ownership, or other significant matters.</p>
<p>More relevant to the nature of this thread, though I believe that Huckabee, indeed, is the better choice vis-à-vis our concern for life (and I offer kudos to him for his George W. Bush &#8220;bunker mentality&#8221; comment: he might be  less inclined to send more troops to agitate more nations), I fear that he might be &#8220;too Christian&#8221; for some undecided, middle-of-the-road voters, whereas McCain, as we&#8217;ve all seen, has benefitted greatly from their support. Perhaps, as the Taft Club (amongst others, no doubt), has contemplated, the conservative movement needs to divorce the GOP. For now, however, so long as this marriage continues, supporting McCain seems to be the most prudently practical choice.</p>
<p>In Notre Dame,<br />
Nathan</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/02/13/whats-the-deal-with-deal/#comment-12040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Far be it from me to agree with Politicratus on anything... but he is 100% right.  Mike Huckabee is, in the classic definition the only pro-life candidate with any chance of influencing the outcome in November.  He is totally consistent on the key issues of abortion, euthanasia, and embryonic stem-cell research.  He is the only candidate in either party who is remotely close to that.  That he has not fully seen the light of truth in the Catholic Church or her teachings on IVF etc. is sad, but the evil of IVF which involves he unintended death of a numerous souls, is not on the level of evil in abortion which &lt;b&gt;intentionally&lt;/b&gt; kills the innocent.

So I urge anyone here who has yet to have the presidential primary in their state to go out and vote for Mike Huckabee for the Republican nomination.

In November however, it will be time to break down and chose between Hillary/Obama and John McCain in all likelihood (with perhaps a stronger pro-lifer on the ticket).  This is not a difficult choice.  McCain is opposed to abortion in 99% of the cases and would seek to restrict abortion to those levels at least, and by judical nominations to overturn Roe vs. Wade.   McCain has shown an inclination to reconsider his position on federal funding of embryonic stemcell research, he has rejoiced the progress of adult stem cell therapy and the recent breakthroughs that may eliminate the desire for stem cells from human embryos. 

On the other hand, as was earlier stated, Obama does not thing that a baby who survives an abortion to be born alive should be given any care, but left to die on a tray, or perhaps left in a closet gasping for air.  Hillary is as bad if not worse.  Either of these candidates anathema to all faifthul Catholics.

God Bless,

Matt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Far be it from me to agree with Politicratus on anything&#8230; but he is 100% right.  Mike Huckabee is, in the classic definition the only pro-life candidate with any chance of influencing the outcome in November.  He is totally consistent on the key issues of abortion, euthanasia, and embryonic stem-cell research.  He is the only candidate in either party who is remotely close to that.  That he has not fully seen the light of truth in the Catholic Church or her teachings on IVF etc. is sad, but the evil of IVF which involves he unintended death of a numerous souls, is not on the level of evil in abortion which <b>intentionally</b> kills the innocent.</p>
<p>So I urge anyone here who has yet to have the presidential primary in their state to go out and vote for Mike Huckabee for the Republican nomination.</p>
<p>In November however, it will be time to break down and chose between Hillary/Obama and John McCain in all likelihood (with perhaps a stronger pro-lifer on the ticket).  This is not a difficult choice.  McCain is opposed to abortion in 99% of the cases and would seek to restrict abortion to those levels at least, and by judical nominations to overturn Roe vs. Wade.   McCain has shown an inclination to reconsider his position on federal funding of embryonic stemcell research, he has rejoiced the progress of adult stem cell therapy and the recent breakthroughs that may eliminate the desire for stem cells from human embryos. </p>
<p>On the other hand, as was earlier stated, Obama does not thing that a baby who survives an abortion to be born alive should be given any care, but left to die on a tray, or perhaps left in a closet gasping for air.  Hillary is as bad if not worse.  Either of these candidates anathema to all faifthul Catholics.</p>
<p>God Bless,</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Policraticus</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/02/13/whats-the-deal-with-deal/#comment-12036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Policraticus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keep in mind that, although he cannot get the delegates to earn the nomination through the primaries, if Huckabee prevents McCain from reaching the requisite amount of delegates himself before the RNC, it is still possible that Huckabee would be selected for the nomination.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind that, although he cannot get the delegates to earn the nomination through the primaries, if Huckabee prevents McCain from reaching the requisite amount of delegates himself before the RNC, it is still possible that Huckabee would be selected for the nomination.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2008/02/13/whats-the-deal-with-deal/#comment-12035</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hudson is just trying to rally the base to support McCain. It may be that he is a partisan hack; it may be that he is pro-life and recognizes that the best option available now is McCain (with Huck unable mathematically to get the delegates) and so rallying the base is best way to achieve pro-life goals. It could be a mixture of the two, but I think it&#039;s more charitable to assume the latter.

I don&#039;t like McCain, and his support for public funding of ESCR disqualifies him as consistently pro--life. But I will vote for him because he has promised to appoint judges that are likely to give americans a chance to select their abortion laws, and he has consistently voted with pro-lifers on abortion legislation. A failure on one pro-life issue, with a promise to support the pro-life agenda on abortion is far better than the alternative for the pro-life movement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hudson is just trying to rally the base to support McCain. It may be that he is a partisan hack; it may be that he is pro-life and recognizes that the best option available now is McCain (with Huck unable mathematically to get the delegates) and so rallying the base is best way to achieve pro-life goals. It could be a mixture of the two, but I think it&#8217;s more charitable to assume the latter.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like McCain, and his support for public funding of ESCR disqualifies him as consistently pro&#8211;life. But I will vote for him because he has promised to appoint judges that are likely to give americans a chance to select their abortion laws, and he has consistently voted with pro-lifers on abortion legislation. A failure on one pro-life issue, with a promise to support the pro-life agenda on abortion is far better than the alternative for the pro-life movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle R. Cupp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle R. Cupp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pending a mathematical miracle, McCain is the Republican nominee.  Perhaps a charitable and hospitable mass letter-writing campaign is in order.  One can hope that he may be persuaded to embrace a life affirming response to ESCR.  

Prayer and fasting may help too.  Hey, it’s Lent.  Offer up intentions for McCain, Hillary, and Obama!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pending a mathematical miracle, McCain is the Republican nominee.  Perhaps a charitable and hospitable mass letter-writing campaign is in order.  One can hope that he may be persuaded to embrace a life affirming response to ESCR.  </p>
<p>Prayer and fasting may help too.  Hey, it’s Lent.  Offer up intentions for McCain, Hillary, and Obama!</p>
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