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	<title>Comments on: Huckabee and &#8220;Christian Reconstruction&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: McCain, Hagee, Obama, Farrakhan, etc. &#171; Vox Nova</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-and-christian-reconstruction/#comment-14799</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[McCain, Hagee, Obama, Farrakhan, etc. &#171; Vox Nova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8212; I think that John Hagee is loathesome.  (How could a Roman Catholic not?)  And, I blogged here at Vox Nova a few months ago about the &#8220;troubling&#8221; fact that Gov. Huckabee (who, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8212; I think that John Hagee is loathesome.  (How could a Roman Catholic not?)  And, I blogged here at Vox Nova a few months ago about the &#8220;troubling&#8221; fact that Gov. Huckabee (who, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: USpace</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-and-christian-reconstruction/#comment-9380</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Huckabye? He&#039;s toast I think. According to his latest statement, Huckabee seems to want fundamentalism. It could never happen, even if Huckabilly really wanted to do it.

I don&#039;t think he does, he just wants the votes from those he thinks want one. I don&#039;t think most of them really want it that much either. He&#039;s not stupid enough to want to try to do it as POTUS, he&#039;s just stupid enough to say it when he&#039;s campaigning.

Huckleberry is too conservative on religion and too liberal on criminals and the economy and immigration.

Huckabye? Huckabee wants to have adulterers, homosexuals and rape victims stoned to death. He also wants to make alcohol and music videos illegal, and make women 2nd class citizens and to take all girls out of school?

Oops, my bad, that&#039;s another &#039;religion&#039;.

Hey, anybody but the PIAPS!

if you’re MAD
punish your country
VOTE for Hillary
.

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
elect women presidents

who cover for their husbands
who rape other women
.

http://haltterrorism.com/

http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabye? He&#8217;s toast I think. According to his latest statement, Huckabee seems to want fundamentalism. It could never happen, even if Huckabilly really wanted to do it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he does, he just wants the votes from those he thinks want one. I don&#8217;t think most of them really want it that much either. He&#8217;s not stupid enough to want to try to do it as POTUS, he&#8217;s just stupid enough to say it when he&#8217;s campaigning.</p>
<p>Huckleberry is too conservative on religion and too liberal on criminals and the economy and immigration.</p>
<p>Huckabye? Huckabee wants to have adulterers, homosexuals and rape victims stoned to death. He also wants to make alcohol and music videos illegal, and make women 2nd class citizens and to take all girls out of school?</p>
<p>Oops, my bad, that&#8217;s another &#8216;religion&#8217;.</p>
<p>Hey, anybody but the PIAPS!</p>
<p>if you’re MAD<br />
punish your country<br />
VOTE for Hillary<br />
.</p>
<p>absurd thought -<br />
God of the Universe says<br />
elect women presidents</p>
<p>who cover for their husbands<br />
who rape other women<br />
.</p>
<p><a href="http://haltterrorism.com/" rel="nofollow">http://haltterrorism.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/</a><br />
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		<title>By: Kevin Jones</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-and-christian-reconstruction/#comment-7561</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 05:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I remember hearing a talk given by a lawyer from Colorado who proposed having a bunch of reconstructionist-minded people move to a relatively unpopulated area/state and exerting control at a local level,&quot;

The Libertarians are trying to do this to New Hampshire, they call it the &quot;Free State Project.&quot;  I think &quot;reconstructionist&quot; folk chose South Carolina, a brief search suggests the project name is &quot;Christian Exodus.&quot;  A whopping 15 families have supposedly already moved.

Notice both are early primary states?  They have the goal, but not the means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I remember hearing a talk given by a lawyer from Colorado who proposed having a bunch of reconstructionist-minded people move to a relatively unpopulated area/state and exerting control at a local level,&#8221;</p>
<p>The Libertarians are trying to do this to New Hampshire, they call it the &#8220;Free State Project.&#8221;  I think &#8220;reconstructionist&#8221; folk chose South Carolina, a brief search suggests the project name is &#8220;Christian Exodus.&#8221;  A whopping 15 families have supposedly already moved.</p>
<p>Notice both are early primary states?  They have the goal, but not the means.</p>
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		<title>By: Kellen</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-and-christian-reconstruction/#comment-7516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kellen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a former Arkansan and sympathizer to the reconstructionist movement at that time, I remember hearing a talk given by a lawyer from Colorado who proposed having a bunch of reconstructionist-minded people move to a relatively unpopulated area/state and exerting control at a local level, reconstructing from the ground up. I remember this lawyer speaking warmly of some growing groups who were involved in this effort, he mentioned Colorado, Wyoming, and Arkansas by name. I was completely unaware of it, and I&#039;m still not sure how true it was. I also heard from a couple of other sources that a lot of the people working with Huckabee while he was governor were reconstructionists, or at least had those kinds of tendencies/sympathies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former Arkansan and sympathizer to the reconstructionist movement at that time, I remember hearing a talk given by a lawyer from Colorado who proposed having a bunch of reconstructionist-minded people move to a relatively unpopulated area/state and exerting control at a local level, reconstructing from the ground up. I remember this lawyer speaking warmly of some growing groups who were involved in this effort, he mentioned Colorado, Wyoming, and Arkansas by name. I was completely unaware of it, and I&#8217;m still not sure how true it was. I also heard from a couple of other sources that a lot of the people working with Huckabee while he was governor were reconstructionists, or at least had those kinds of tendencies/sympathies.</p>
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		<title>By: JH</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-and-christian-reconstruction/#comment-7495</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rick I see your point. Let me say with confidence that right now Huckabee does not have a lot of major fundraisors. We are still at the stage of hundred dollar dinners for goodness sake. I suspect that when his campain finace report come in we shall see a broadbase bunch of support. For instance I am far more interested in this news item I saw on a political blog out of Florida last night

Diaz de la Portilla helping Huckabee
Along with Marco Rubio and David Rivera, Miami state Sen. Alex Diaz de la Portilla is hosting the 12/26 $200-per-person Mike Huckabee fundraiser at the Miami home of Carlos and Michelle Pastor
http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2007/12/diaz-de-la-port.html

I am far more interested in this event and who perhaps in the various Hispanic political parts of Florida is backing Huckabee than the above story. I suspect we get a idea of perhaps where Huckabee is  planning to go on issues such as immigration and  Cuba etc by examing this guest list . Well perhaps I should be glad we are not examing that potoential guest list too closely. It might just give us more problems on the far right. 

Anyway I think the public will get a clearer picture of Huckabee if he can get out of the early states and he can start to moderate his message a tad. Right now he is having to target his views towards a hundred different small but important groups. I have to admit. I really did not think that at this stage of the game his conservative credentials would be so under attack. Which means that the process of  having to stay right(in perception and soundbites) for a while shall continue longer than I thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick I see your point. Let me say with confidence that right now Huckabee does not have a lot of major fundraisors. We are still at the stage of hundred dollar dinners for goodness sake. I suspect that when his campain finace report come in we shall see a broadbase bunch of support. For instance I am far more interested in this news item I saw on a political blog out of Florida last night</p>
<p>Diaz de la Portilla helping Huckabee<br />
Along with Marco Rubio and David Rivera, Miami state Sen. Alex Diaz de la Portilla is hosting the 12/26 $200-per-person Mike Huckabee fundraiser at the Miami home of Carlos and Michelle Pastor<br />
<a href="http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2007/12/diaz-de-la-port.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2007/12/diaz-de-la-port.html</a></p>
<p>I am far more interested in this event and who perhaps in the various Hispanic political parts of Florida is backing Huckabee than the above story. I suspect we get a idea of perhaps where Huckabee is  planning to go on issues such as immigration and  Cuba etc by examing this guest list . Well perhaps I should be glad we are not examing that potoential guest list too closely. It might just give us more problems on the far right. </p>
<p>Anyway I think the public will get a clearer picture of Huckabee if he can get out of the early states and he can start to moderate his message a tad. Right now he is having to target his views towards a hundred different small but important groups. I have to admit. I really did not think that at this stage of the game his conservative credentials would be so under attack. Which means that the process of  having to stay right(in perception and soundbites) for a while shall continue longer than I thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Garnett</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-and-christian-reconstruction/#comment-7488</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JH:  The question, as I see it, is not so much &quot;who is voting for this guy?&quot;, but &quot;who is this guy tapping to be his major fundraisers?  What general-election liabilities is he creating through his chosen associations?  etc.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JH:  The question, as I see it, is not so much &#8220;who is voting for this guy?&#8221;, but &#8220;who is this guy tapping to be his major fundraisers?  What general-election liabilities is he creating through his chosen associations?  etc.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JH</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-and-christian-reconstruction/#comment-7485</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rick I guess my point is that I don&#039;t see this damaging Huckabee. Last night a Romeny blog was posting on this and doing his best &quot;I am shocked that there is Gamblign going on at Rick&#039;s) Casbalanca impression on this. I asked him what in heavens name was he going to do when these same people showed up at a Romney fundraiser or event if Romney got the nod. I predicted nothing lol. It is such a subset and now a fractured subset of &quot;christian thought&quot; that know one pays them any mind. It has never damaged any other Republican. Why Huckabee]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick I guess my point is that I don&#8217;t see this damaging Huckabee. Last night a Romeny blog was posting on this and doing his best &#8220;I am shocked that there is Gamblign going on at Rick&#8217;s) Casbalanca impression on this. I asked him what in heavens name was he going to do when these same people showed up at a Romney fundraiser or event if Romney got the nod. I predicted nothing lol. It is such a subset and now a fractured subset of &#8220;christian thought&#8221; that know one pays them any mind. It has never damaged any other Republican. Why Huckabee</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-and-christian-reconstruction/#comment-7484</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[concern*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>concern*</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-and-christian-reconstruction/#comment-7483</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What might concerns those thinking about Huckabee more than this are some of the things the WSJ noted in today&#039;s editorial:

1) Opposition to school vouchers 
2) 14 Arkansas state ethics committee investigations, five of which resulted in admonishments (including failing to report a $23,500 gift from Action America).
3) Other complaints of misuse of state funds (similar to those discussed about Giuliani).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What might concerns those thinking about Huckabee more than this are some of the things the WSJ noted in today&#8217;s editorial:</p>
<p>1) Opposition to school vouchers<br />
2) 14 Arkansas state ethics committee investigations, five of which resulted in admonishments (including failing to report a $23,500 gift from Action America).<br />
3) Other complaints of misuse of state funds (similar to those discussed about Giuliani).</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Garnett</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-and-christian-reconstruction/#comment-7480</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Garnett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JH:  I don&#039;t understand your point (at 7:33).

MM:  Like JH, I don&#039;t think the issues and personalities in my post undermine, at all, the ECT project (that is, the specific Neuhaus-Colson effort), which has always candidly acknowledged the points of disagreement, while doing the good work of identifying the points of agreement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JH:  I don&#8217;t understand your point (at 7:33).</p>
<p>MM:  Like JH, I don&#8217;t think the issues and personalities in my post undermine, at all, the ECT project (that is, the specific Neuhaus-Colson effort), which has always candidly acknowledged the points of disagreement, while doing the good work of identifying the points of agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: JH</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-and-christian-reconstruction/#comment-7474</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MM

What is is sometimes called a marriage of convenience is also called finding common ground. It seems to have to have worked. I guess Since I live in a very Protestant area my whole life is a marriage of Convenience with Evangleicals. We all work together, have each others kids sleep over with our kids on overnights , go and support the local football team, go and work together on issues such as schools, and the economy.

THe thing is with the American Evangelical movement is you can&#039;t put it in a box.  As for the Catholic Social doctrine. As I keep trying to point out not all  Evangelicals are  the deep Calvanist that you think they are. Many Evangelicals often share the same concerns as many Catholics do in this area. This is one reason why so many were FDR Democrats for so long and Democrat leaning. Isee this all the time where I live.

I wonder. I don&#039;t think these differences have been glossed over. They are often a topic of discussion. However I think it has been a net plus that  Catholics and Evangelicals have worked together. I think many Evangelicals came to better understanding of Catholics because of it. A lot of myths have sort of gone out the door or at least are not as prevalant. So I think it has been a good thing. I find it a much satifactory situation than having people in Fortress Catholisicism and Fortress Evangelical and never interacting on the political or social stage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM</p>
<p>What is is sometimes called a marriage of convenience is also called finding common ground. It seems to have to have worked. I guess Since I live in a very Protestant area my whole life is a marriage of Convenience with Evangleicals. We all work together, have each others kids sleep over with our kids on overnights , go and support the local football team, go and work together on issues such as schools, and the economy.</p>
<p>THe thing is with the American Evangelical movement is you can&#8217;t put it in a box.  As for the Catholic Social doctrine. As I keep trying to point out not all  Evangelicals are  the deep Calvanist that you think they are. Many Evangelicals often share the same concerns as many Catholics do in this area. This is one reason why so many were FDR Democrats for so long and Democrat leaning. Isee this all the time where I live.</p>
<p>I wonder. I don&#8217;t think these differences have been glossed over. They are often a topic of discussion. However I think it has been a net plus that  Catholics and Evangelicals have worked together. I think many Evangelicals came to better understanding of Catholics because of it. A lot of myths have sort of gone out the door or at least are not as prevalant. So I think it has been a good thing. I find it a much satifactory situation than having people in Fortress Catholisicism and Fortress Evangelical and never interacting on the political or social stage.</p>
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		<title>By: Morning's Minion</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s the whole problem, the whole marriage of convenience underpinning the &#039;Catholics and evangelicals together&#039; has always been knitted together by glossing over the major theological differences. For Catholics, it has been a case of &quot;let&#039;s ignore all those bits of Catholic social teaching that the evangelicals might have problems with&quot;. More fundamentally, the American evangelical movement is based on so mnay aspects of flawed theology that it&#039;s hard to know where to start.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the whole problem, the whole marriage of convenience underpinning the &#8216;Catholics and evangelicals together&#8217; has always been knitted together by glossing over the major theological differences. For Catholics, it has been a case of &#8220;let&#8217;s ignore all those bits of Catholic social teaching that the evangelicals might have problems with&#8221;. More fundamentally, the American evangelical movement is based on so mnay aspects of flawed theology that it&#8217;s hard to know where to start.</p>
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