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		<title>By: Immigrant R.N.</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/29/bishop-slattery-on-immigration/#comment-6354</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Immigrant R.N.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love and am proud of my adopted country.  I am ever so grateful for this country taking my family and I.

We all speak English, even my parents who are elderly.  My grandmother who came after us insisted on taking the Citizenship exam.  The people at Immigration said she didn&#039;t have to but she insisted because she had studied everything and new all the answers and did not want any special treatment.....she was 93 when she took her exam.  Our languange in the house is Spanish, but all our business is conducted in English.  It is out of respect for this country and the favor they did for us that motivated us to learn the languange, it was the least we could do.  As time went on we incorporated certain American customs into our own without ever loosing respect or knowledge of our roots.  This is what being multicultural means.  The person coming here must be willing accept the customs of where they are going, not the other way around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love and am proud of my adopted country.  I am ever so grateful for this country taking my family and I.</p>
<p>We all speak English, even my parents who are elderly.  My grandmother who came after us insisted on taking the Citizenship exam.  The people at Immigration said she didn&#8217;t have to but she insisted because she had studied everything and new all the answers and did not want any special treatment&#8230;..she was 93 when she took her exam.  Our languange in the house is Spanish, but all our business is conducted in English.  It is out of respect for this country and the favor they did for us that motivated us to learn the languange, it was the least we could do.  As time went on we incorporated certain American customs into our own without ever loosing respect or knowledge of our roots.  This is what being multicultural means.  The person coming here must be willing accept the customs of where they are going, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Immigrant R.N.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Immigrant R.N.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a registered nurse is South Florida, I can attest that we do not turn away immigrants who come for care (E.R.).  They are treated and then referred to social services where they can make arrangements for follow-up care.  Now, you must say to yourself, well, thats humane, thats the way it should be.  Perhaps, but 90% of those cases are for simple colds, flu, fevers, belly aches, hangovers, drug related problems.  All on taxpayers nickel.

I am an immigrant from a Latin-American nation.  My family waited for more than 3 years to get permission to leave our country and then an additional year waiting in another country (Nicaragua) to expedite our green card to the U.S.  We did things legally despite all the descriminations and humiliations we had to endure in Mexico (yes, MEXICO) and to a much lesser degree in Nicaragua.  Those wonderful people in Mexico City airport who lined up in a gauntlet to spit and hit my parents and myself when we deboarded our flight from a communist nation with nothing in our pockets and just a small suitcase.

In order for us to truly help immigrants come over, lets help the legal ones integrate into our society instead of slapping them in the face for following the law and being good future citizens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a registered nurse is South Florida, I can attest that we do not turn away immigrants who come for care (E.R.).  They are treated and then referred to social services where they can make arrangements for follow-up care.  Now, you must say to yourself, well, thats humane, thats the way it should be.  Perhaps, but 90% of those cases are for simple colds, flu, fevers, belly aches, hangovers, drug related problems.  All on taxpayers nickel.</p>
<p>I am an immigrant from a Latin-American nation.  My family waited for more than 3 years to get permission to leave our country and then an additional year waiting in another country (Nicaragua) to expedite our green card to the U.S.  We did things legally despite all the descriminations and humiliations we had to endure in Mexico (yes, MEXICO) and to a much lesser degree in Nicaragua.  Those wonderful people in Mexico City airport who lined up in a gauntlet to spit and hit my parents and myself when we deboarded our flight from a communist nation with nothing in our pockets and just a small suitcase.</p>
<p>In order for us to truly help immigrants come over, lets help the legal ones integrate into our society instead of slapping them in the face for following the law and being good future citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/29/bishop-slattery-on-immigration/#comment-5890</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;The process [to legally emigrate]  is limited, costly, and drawn-out.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

Then the law needs to be changed.  However, our call to civilly disobey unjust laws, does not imply that there will be no consequences.  There will be, for both the illegals and those breaking the laws supporting them.

I mentioned on Radical Catholic Mom&#039;s blog that I would be willing to advocate easy immigration for anyone who can find work here if those supporting unlimited immigration would advocate  English as our national language.  

Any takers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>The process [to legally emigrate]  is limited, costly, and drawn-out.</i></b></p>
<p>Then the law needs to be changed.  However, our call to civilly disobey unjust laws, does not imply that there will be no consequences.  There will be, for both the illegals and those breaking the laws supporting them.</p>
<p>I mentioned on Radical Catholic Mom&#8217;s blog that I would be willing to advocate easy immigration for anyone who can find work here if those supporting unlimited immigration would advocate  English as our national language.  </p>
<p>Any takers?</p>
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		<title>By: TeutonicTim</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/29/bishop-slattery-on-immigration/#comment-5776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TeutonicTim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see the shortcut isn&#039;t exact.

ACTS: 203, 208, and 210]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the shortcut isn&#8217;t exact.</p>
<p>ACTS: 203, 208, and 210</p>
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		<title>By: TeutonicTim</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/29/bishop-slattery-on-immigration/#comment-5774</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TeutonicTim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And for those who are persecuted in their own countries:

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cb90c19a50729fb47fb0686648558dbe

Sure, there is red tape with all of these, but how is that unjust?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for those who are persecuted in their own countries:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cb90c19a50729fb47fb0686648558dbe" rel="nofollow">http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cb90c19a50729fb47fb0686648558dbe</a></p>
<p>Sure, there is red tape with all of these, but how is that unjust?</p>
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		<title>By: TeutonicTim</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/29/bishop-slattery-on-immigration/#comment-5773</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TeutonicTim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And for the unskilled workers:

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cb90c19a50729fb47fb0686648558dbe

How is that unjust?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for the unskilled workers:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cb90c19a50729fb47fb0686648558dbe" rel="nofollow">http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cb90c19a50729fb47fb0686648558dbe</a></p>
<p>How is that unjust?</p>
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		<title>By: TeutonicTim</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/29/bishop-slattery-on-immigration/#comment-5772</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TeutonicTim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mean the INA?  Why yes I have.

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cb90c19a50729fb47fb0686648558dbe

It holds my assertion that if you benefit host nation, you are allowed to apply for immigration status.  It also applies limits based on growth factors.

How is that unjust?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean the INA?  Why yes I have.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cb90c19a50729fb47fb0686648558dbe" rel="nofollow">http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cb90c19a50729fb47fb0686648558dbe</a></p>
<p>It holds my assertion that if you benefit host nation, you are allowed to apply for immigration status.  It also applies limits based on growth factors.</p>
<p>How is that unjust?</p>
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		<title>By: radicalcatholicmom</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/29/bishop-slattery-on-immigration/#comment-5767</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[radicalcatholicmom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim, Tim, Tim Tim: Cite your source for your above assertion, PLEASE.  The law may not discriminate on race, religion, sex, but it DOES discriminate against those who are economically poor and from 3rd World Countries.  Seriously.  Have you read our immigration laws?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, Tim, Tim Tim: Cite your source for your above assertion, PLEASE.  The law may not discriminate on race, religion, sex, but it DOES discriminate against those who are economically poor and from 3rd World Countries.  Seriously.  Have you read our immigration laws?</p>
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		<title>By: TeutonicTim</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/29/bishop-slattery-on-immigration/#comment-5756</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TeutonicTim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mom - If you think abortion and illegal immigration are on the same footing, you need to reexamine your analogy regarding following the law. 

If there is a reason that an immigrant wants to come to the country, &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; they can make an additive contribution to the country, they will be able to immigrate.  Don&#039;t confuse the &lt;i&gt;right&lt;/i&gt; to work with the &quot;right&quot; to leech of of my hard work.

The law provides a path to immigrate, and does not discriminate on race, religion, sex or any other unjust factor.  Just because it doesn&#039;t pander to your mother-like instinct to make everyone feel better doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not just.

It&#039;s a well known fact that the children of illegals receive &quot;free&quot; education paid for by taxpayers.  When you get paid under the table, it&#039;s hard to put in your fair share, isn&#039;t it?  Medical care - It&#039;s also known that if you need medical care, you get it.  If you can&#039;t pay or &quot;no habla englais&quot; or don&#039;t have any identification that the isurance companies and hospitals can try to get reimbursed, that amounts to an advantage over a tax paying citizen who would get nailed in court for not paying their bills.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mom &#8211; If you think abortion and illegal immigration are on the same footing, you need to reexamine your analogy regarding following the law. </p>
<p>If there is a reason that an immigrant wants to come to the country, <i>and</i> they can make an additive contribution to the country, they will be able to immigrate.  Don&#8217;t confuse the <i>right</i> to work with the &#8220;right&#8221; to leech of of my hard work.</p>
<p>The law provides a path to immigrate, and does not discriminate on race, religion, sex or any other unjust factor.  Just because it doesn&#8217;t pander to your mother-like instinct to make everyone feel better doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not just.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a well known fact that the children of illegals receive &#8220;free&#8221; education paid for by taxpayers.  When you get paid under the table, it&#8217;s hard to put in your fair share, isn&#8217;t it?  Medical care &#8211; It&#8217;s also known that if you need medical care, you get it.  If you can&#8217;t pay or &#8220;no habla englais&#8221; or don&#8217;t have any identification that the isurance companies and hospitals can try to get reimbursed, that amounts to an advantage over a tax paying citizen who would get nailed in court for not paying their bills.</p>
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		<title>By: radicalcatholicmom</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/29/bishop-slattery-on-immigration/#comment-5754</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[radicalcatholicmom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim: I also assume you are pro-life as am I.  You want to quote the law and make our civil law king over our Moral Conscience.  Honestly, is that how you really believe?  If I am to read what you write about them being criminals because they dare to immigrate outside the system, then abortionists must be doing a public service because they are within the law!  Come on!  Do better.  The Law is NOT our guide when it goes against God&#039;s Law.  

Also, please cite your sources for your assertions that illegal human beings are &quot;free riding.&quot;  Seriously.  Because I just posted on my blog this week that illegals are not responsible for the health care crisis, and I have posted before on the whole &quot;they don&#039;t pay their taxes&quot; nonsense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim: I also assume you are pro-life as am I.  You want to quote the law and make our civil law king over our Moral Conscience.  Honestly, is that how you really believe?  If I am to read what you write about them being criminals because they dare to immigrate outside the system, then abortionists must be doing a public service because they are within the law!  Come on!  Do better.  The Law is NOT our guide when it goes against God&#8217;s Law.  </p>
<p>Also, please cite your sources for your assertions that illegal human beings are &#8220;free riding.&#8221;  Seriously.  Because I just posted on my blog this week that illegals are not responsible for the health care crisis, and I have posted before on the whole &#8220;they don&#8217;t pay their taxes&#8221; nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: radicalcatholicmom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[radicalcatholicmom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Teutonic Tim:  I ALWAYS find that those vociferously against immigrants have one primary fallacious assumption.  You state &quot;It just so happens, that anyone who wants to can immigrate to the U.S.&quot;

I assume you mean legally immigrate to the United States.  And if you do indeed mean legally immigrate, you are sadly misinformed about our legal immigration laws.  I seriously recommend you call your local immigration attorney and make the same statement to that attorney.  Don&#039;t get offended if he has to stop laughing for awhile before he can make a response.  

Don&#039;t you think that as an active, practicing Catholic, you should first educate yourself about our immigration policies before attacking the MILLIONS who have immigrated here outside the legal system?  I would think that would be the first place to start.  But if you assume your assumptions are indeed TRUTH I can see how there is no need for education.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teutonic Tim:  I ALWAYS find that those vociferously against immigrants have one primary fallacious assumption.  You state &#8220;It just so happens, that anyone who wants to can immigrate to the U.S.&#8221;</p>
<p>I assume you mean legally immigrate to the United States.  And if you do indeed mean legally immigrate, you are sadly misinformed about our legal immigration laws.  I seriously recommend you call your local immigration attorney and make the same statement to that attorney.  Don&#8217;t get offended if he has to stop laughing for awhile before he can make a response.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think that as an active, practicing Catholic, you should first educate yourself about our immigration policies before attacking the MILLIONS who have immigrated here outside the legal system?  I would think that would be the first place to start.  But if you assume your assumptions are indeed TRUTH I can see how there is no need for education.</p>
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		<title>By: none</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blackadder:

The question you pose suggests that there may be something problematic with asserting there is a &quot;right to work,&quot; at least as something primary and not something remedial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blackadder:</p>
<p>The question you pose suggests that there may be something problematic with asserting there is a &#8220;right to work,&#8221; at least as something primary and not something remedial.</p>
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