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		<title>By: Stella</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/22/the-golden-compass/#comment-5875</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do like to write in Defense of Mr. Donohue and the Catholic League,   They should feel free any time to voice a wrong, if they choose so.  I have learned to listen and be fair to all sides of issues.  Mr. Donohue just shows more compassion, and raises awareness on issues, mostly Catholics find offensive.
Please, by all means, anyone who wishes to see the Golden Compass, see it with your kids as many times as you like.  You are most welcome to it. 
The irony is, always the liberal left dictates, and the conservatives make their own intelligent choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do like to write in Defense of Mr. Donohue and the Catholic League,   They should feel free any time to voice a wrong, if they choose so.  I have learned to listen and be fair to all sides of issues.  Mr. Donohue just shows more compassion, and raises awareness on issues, mostly Catholics find offensive.<br />
Please, by all means, anyone who wishes to see the Golden Compass, see it with your kids as many times as you like.  You are most welcome to it.<br />
The irony is, always the liberal left dictates, and the conservatives make their own intelligent choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Katerina Ivanovna</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/22/the-golden-compass/#comment-5344</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katerina Ivanovna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t like Donohue at all.  He is truly an embarrassment, so if as a mother I were to boycott the movie, I would do it because there are better things that my children should be doing (rather than watching), but not because Donohue says so.

That being said, I still think that the &quot;awareness&quot; is beneficial for parents or relatives who simply may not know any better, because of x or y, so from that standpoint I agree with Soutenus a 100%.  

I just think that the fact that this initiative comes from the Catholic League who continues to be an embarrassment is just unfortunate, because they take everything to the next level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like Donohue at all.  He is truly an embarrassment, so if as a mother I were to boycott the movie, I would do it because there are better things that my children should be doing (rather than watching), but not because Donohue says so.</p>
<p>That being said, I still think that the &#8220;awareness&#8221; is beneficial for parents or relatives who simply may not know any better, because of x or y, so from that standpoint I agree with Soutenus a 100%.  </p>
<p>I just think that the fact that this initiative comes from the Catholic League who continues to be an embarrassment is just unfortunate, because they take everything to the next level.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/22/the-golden-compass/#comment-5333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m all for &quot;proactive parenting.&quot; Absolutely.

I&#039;m not into Catholics playing the culture war games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for &#8220;proactive parenting.&#8221; Absolutely.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not into Catholics playing the culture war games.</p>
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		<title>By: radicalcatholicmom</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/22/the-golden-compass/#comment-5330</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael, until I heard other Catholic parents talk about this movie, I would have had no idea about its content.  Now, 1)I am glad that other Catholic parents gave me the head&#039;s up 2) I just do not take my daughter to the movies, but then she is only 2 and shouldn&#039;t be watching anything anyway.  3) Even when she is older I will always first see the movie to ensure it is acceptable for her to see and I will read up on it before, otherwise I don&#039;t think I would be doing a good job as a parent, like Henry said, &quot;proactive&quot; parenting.  

As to whether &quot;I&quot; would watch the movie, that is different completely.  We are not talking about adults at all and their preferences.  

And Michael, I dislike Donahue as much as you do.  I think he is wrong most of the times or overly sensitive, but even wrong people can be helpful sometimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, until I heard other Catholic parents talk about this movie, I would have had no idea about its content.  Now, 1)I am glad that other Catholic parents gave me the head&#8217;s up 2) I just do not take my daughter to the movies, but then she is only 2 and shouldn&#8217;t be watching anything anyway.  3) Even when she is older I will always first see the movie to ensure it is acceptable for her to see and I will read up on it before, otherwise I don&#8217;t think I would be doing a good job as a parent, like Henry said, &#8220;proactive&#8221; parenting.  </p>
<p>As to whether &#8220;I&#8221; would watch the movie, that is different completely.  We are not talking about adults at all and their preferences.  </p>
<p>And Michael, I dislike Donahue as much as you do.  I think he is wrong most of the times or overly sensitive, but even wrong people can be helpful sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/22/the-golden-compass/#comment-5321</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The movie and the books are not for &quot;young children.&quot; They are for young adults.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The movie and the books are not for &#8220;young children.&#8221; They are for young adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Karlson</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/22/the-golden-compass/#comment-5319</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Karlson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find many a movie rated PG13 I would consider good for children. Sometimes our society is very sensitive to the wrong kinds of interests, and I would not be surprised if things which were once labelled &quot;G&quot; would be &quot;R&quot; and vice versa in some mixed up future. 

It is rather better for a parent to be pro-active in the education of their children. I think we can all agree with this.

I personally find Pullman to be problematic because of his dishonest presentation of Lewis and others; even when he is corrected, he will return to his stock description of Lewis&#039; ideologies and use it to justify his &quot;anti-Narnia.&quot; 

I have no problems of watching films made by atheists, even with an interest to convert people to atheism (Douglas Adams comes to mind); but there is something insidious to Pullman to me, and so I have no interest in providing him any extra income through my wallet. Others are free to decide as they wish -- but I do think it is fine for people to show concern, while others to feel no need to join in with the boycott.  It&#039;s a difference in how one conducts a prudential decision in this regard, and the kind of difference allowed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find many a movie rated PG13 I would consider good for children. Sometimes our society is very sensitive to the wrong kinds of interests, and I would not be surprised if things which were once labelled &#8220;G&#8221; would be &#8220;R&#8221; and vice versa in some mixed up future. </p>
<p>It is rather better for a parent to be pro-active in the education of their children. I think we can all agree with this.</p>
<p>I personally find Pullman to be problematic because of his dishonest presentation of Lewis and others; even when he is corrected, he will return to his stock description of Lewis&#8217; ideologies and use it to justify his &#8220;anti-Narnia.&#8221; </p>
<p>I have no problems of watching films made by atheists, even with an interest to convert people to atheism (Douglas Adams comes to mind); but there is something insidious to Pullman to me, and so I have no interest in providing him any extra income through my wallet. Others are free to decide as they wish &#8212; but I do think it is fine for people to show concern, while others to feel no need to join in with the boycott.  It&#8217;s a difference in how one conducts a prudential decision in this regard, and the kind of difference allowed.</p>
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		<title>By: Compass: Golden or Moral? &#171; Catholic Sensibility</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/22/the-golden-compass/#comment-5312</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Compass: Golden or Moral? &#171; Catholic Sensibility]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Posted by catholicsensibility under Art, Commentary &#160;  I was a bit surprised to find a post on Vox Nova going beyond just criticism of the forthcoming film The Golden Compass. Anyone who (orders Bill [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Posted by catholicsensibility under Art, Commentary &nbsp;  I was a bit surprised to find a post on Vox Nova going beyond just criticism of the forthcoming film The Golden Compass. Anyone who (orders Bill [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/22/the-golden-compass/#comment-5310</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The film is rated PG-13. That&#039;s enough of a reason not to bring young children; the plot line or the ideology of the author is irrelevant. I don&#039;t think a boycott as such is either overboard or mindless. But it is misguided and possibly the wrong tool to use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The film is rated PG-13. That&#8217;s enough of a reason not to bring young children; the plot line or the ideology of the author is irrelevant. I don&#8217;t think a boycott as such is either overboard or mindless. But it is misguided and possibly the wrong tool to use.</p>
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		<title>By: Soutenus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Soutenus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 04:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Call me crazy, but I am all for boycotting anything that poisons my young child&#039;s mind. And I think it is important to let parents know the plot lines and general intent of authors. As a consumer, my repose to boycott something is one of the ways I have to communicate with marketers. In this case I am also protecting my children. It is disheartening to find that some think this is overboard or mindless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me crazy, but I am all for boycotting anything that poisons my young child&#8217;s mind. And I think it is important to let parents know the plot lines and general intent of authors. As a consumer, my repose to boycott something is one of the ways I have to communicate with marketers. In this case I am also protecting my children. It is disheartening to find that some think this is overboard or mindless.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Karlson</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/22/the-golden-compass/#comment-5284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Karlson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many kinds of gnosticism, and that can make things difficult. I am not going to go into the details of the different kinds and their various cosmologies here. However, there are many features which they have in common, and ultimately these help produce its final form via Mani. What are they?

1) The world we exist in is evil, created by an inferior creator, who can be scene as tainted by &quot;evil&quot; if not evil (depending upon the form of gnosticism)

2) There is a great universe which transcends this world, the world of the good. 

3) The connection between this world and the higher, real good, is found in a &quot;docetic&quot; Christ: that is, a higher being/entity who is trying to lead us through our spiritual side to the higher good.  As a result of this, there are two traditions, the wordly following of this being with its apostolic succesion, wordly reasoning, etc and the higher, greater revelation which transcends them and which must be followed -- allowing us to know the world, the flesh, and all within is to be rejected as evil so we can be pure spirits. 

4) Hence the idea of gnosticism is &quot;we are in the know&quot; vs everyone else; this does not mean (as some think) that they were hyper rational, etc; rather it just means their understanding of the world was light/dark, good/evil, spirit/flesh and all kinds of dualism along those lines. 

5) Marcion and many like them follow through with this system to say that the God of the OT, Yahweh, was the creator of this wordly system, ignorant of the real spiritual realm, and so controls this world without the higher , true good which he needs. Thus he is a &quot;creator&quot; but not &quot;the good&quot; and indeed, seen by many of them as &quot;evil&quot;  (though not all would say he is; some would say he is just ignorant and need help from Sophia; yet, for many groups such as the Sethians, he was indeed declared to be evil, and all that was said to be evil in the OT was actually good and vice versa).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many kinds of gnosticism, and that can make things difficult. I am not going to go into the details of the different kinds and their various cosmologies here. However, there are many features which they have in common, and ultimately these help produce its final form via Mani. What are they?</p>
<p>1) The world we exist in is evil, created by an inferior creator, who can be scene as tainted by &#8220;evil&#8221; if not evil (depending upon the form of gnosticism)</p>
<p>2) There is a great universe which transcends this world, the world of the good. </p>
<p>3) The connection between this world and the higher, real good, is found in a &#8220;docetic&#8221; Christ: that is, a higher being/entity who is trying to lead us through our spiritual side to the higher good.  As a result of this, there are two traditions, the wordly following of this being with its apostolic succesion, wordly reasoning, etc and the higher, greater revelation which transcends them and which must be followed &#8212; allowing us to know the world, the flesh, and all within is to be rejected as evil so we can be pure spirits. </p>
<p>4) Hence the idea of gnosticism is &#8220;we are in the know&#8221; vs everyone else; this does not mean (as some think) that they were hyper rational, etc; rather it just means their understanding of the world was light/dark, good/evil, spirit/flesh and all kinds of dualism along those lines. </p>
<p>5) Marcion and many like them follow through with this system to say that the God of the OT, Yahweh, was the creator of this wordly system, ignorant of the real spiritual realm, and so controls this world without the higher , true good which he needs. Thus he is a &#8220;creator&#8221; but not &#8220;the good&#8221; and indeed, seen by many of them as &#8220;evil&#8221;  (though not all would say he is; some would say he is just ignorant and need help from Sophia; yet, for many groups such as the Sethians, he was indeed declared to be evil, and all that was said to be evil in the OT was actually good and vice versa).</p>
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		<title>By: arewak</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/22/the-golden-compass/#comment-5279</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can someone here give me a brief summary of what gnosticism is all about. I have done some reading on it but it seems to encompass a host of seemingly disparate ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone here give me a brief summary of what gnosticism is all about. I have done some reading on it but it seems to encompass a host of seemingly disparate ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Karlson</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/22/the-golden-compass/#comment-5271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Karlson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MM

I found this an interesting commentary on the piece (from someone who understood its gnostic tendencies): http://gotthammer.blogspot.com/2007/11/golden-compass-reflections-on-danger-of.html

While I don&#039;t agree with him in saying I think the text is good, it nonetheless is refreshing to see someone who can catch the gnostic element.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM</p>
<p>I found this an interesting commentary on the piece (from someone who understood its gnostic tendencies): <a href="http://gotthammer.blogspot.com/2007/11/golden-compass-reflections-on-danger-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://gotthammer.blogspot.com/2007/11/golden-compass-reflections-on-danger-of.html</a></p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t agree with him in saying I think the text is good, it nonetheless is refreshing to see someone who can catch the gnostic element.</p>
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