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	<title>Comments on: Voting and Salvation: Thanks, but no thanks</title>
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		<title>By: Zippy</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/16/voting-and-salvation-thanks-but-no-thanks/#comment-5058</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Voting can indeed be a form of worshiping &lt;i&gt;democracy,&lt;/i&gt; and therefore to a certain extent onesself and one&#039;s own equal &quot;relevance&quot;, as an idol; those are constitutive of &quot;Caesar&quot; in modern polities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voting can indeed be a form of worshiping <i>democracy,</i> and therefore to a certain extent onesself and one&#8217;s own equal &#8220;relevance&#8221;, as an idol; those are constitutive of &#8220;Caesar&#8221; in modern polities.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald R. McClarey</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/16/voting-and-salvation-thanks-but-no-thanks/#comment-5053</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald R. McClarey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Voting is worshiping Caesar?  Only in Zippy-land.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voting is worshiping Caesar?  Only in Zippy-land.</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/16/voting-and-salvation-thanks-but-no-thanks/#comment-5026</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It can be.  There isn&#039;t anything inherently wrong with voting, but then ighting incense -qua- lighting incense can be morally licit too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be.  There isn&#8217;t anything inherently wrong with voting, but then ighting incense -qua- lighting incense can be morally licit too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ut videam</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/16/voting-and-salvation-thanks-but-no-thanks/#comment-5018</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ut videam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So now casting a vote is tantamount to offering oblation to Caesar? That&#039;s rich.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now casting a vote is tantamount to offering oblation to Caesar? That&#8217;s rich.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/16/voting-and-salvation-thanks-but-no-thanks/#comment-4998</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zippy - Yes!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zippy &#8211; Yes!</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/16/voting-and-salvation-thanks-but-no-thanks/#comment-4979</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keep on burning that pinch of incense, Donald.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep on burning that pinch of incense, Donald.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald R. McClarey</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/16/voting-and-salvation-thanks-but-no-thanks/#comment-4967</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald R. McClarey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zippy, I thoroughly support your right never to cast another vote.  Exercise your right not to vote every chance you get.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zippy, I thoroughly support your right never to cast another vote.  Exercise your right not to vote every chance you get.</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/16/voting-and-salvation-thanks-but-no-thanks/#comment-4940</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;One cannot say that the votes don&#039;t matter.&lt;/i&gt;

That is the reason why I don&#039;t say it.  What I say is that a person&#039;s individual vote doesn&#039;t matter, in the sense where &quot;matter&quot; refers to having any effect whatsoever on the outcome of the election.  It does of course matter in terms of what it does to the person voting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One cannot say that the votes don&#8217;t matter.</i></p>
<p>That is the reason why I don&#8217;t say it.  What I say is that a person&#8217;s individual vote doesn&#8217;t matter, in the sense where &#8220;matter&#8221; refers to having any effect whatsoever on the outcome of the election.  It does of course matter in terms of what it does to the person voting.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Iafrate</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/16/voting-and-salvation-thanks-but-no-thanks/#comment-4936</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Iafrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Donald, I didn&#039;t know you worked for Diebold!

ctd, this document does not say outright that Catholics have a duty to vote, but past versions have always insisted on this, and I read the document in light of that traditionally asserted assumption. Perhaps the bishops are moving away from that idea, but I think the assumption still lurks in the background and pokes through in statements about how voting &#039;may&#039; affect one&#039;s salvation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald, I didn&#8217;t know you worked for Diebold!</p>
<p>ctd, this document does not say outright that Catholics have a duty to vote, but past versions have always insisted on this, and I read the document in light of that traditionally asserted assumption. Perhaps the bishops are moving away from that idea, but I think the assumption still lurks in the background and pokes through in statements about how voting &#8216;may&#8217; affect one&#8217;s salvation.</p>
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		<title>By: ctd</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/16/voting-and-salvation-thanks-but-no-thanks/#comment-4909</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ctd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Getting back to the original post, I have to agree with those who wrote that you have misinterpreted the document.  No where does the document say that you have a duty to vote.  I don&#039;t even think that is implied.

The bishops pay particular attention to voting for two reasons.  First, for most Catholics -- good or bad -- that is their most direct experience with the political process.  Second, voting, because it distills complicated issues into a single &quot;yes or no&quot; action, poses unique moral challenges not existent in other forms of political participation.  

Perhaps the bishops might have done better to say that all types of political participation may affect one&#039;s salvation, rather than just putting in the voting discussion.   I don&#039;t think, however, the absence of such a general statement gives undue emphasis on voting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back to the original post, I have to agree with those who wrote that you have misinterpreted the document.  No where does the document say that you have a duty to vote.  I don&#8217;t even think that is implied.</p>
<p>The bishops pay particular attention to voting for two reasons.  First, for most Catholics &#8212; good or bad &#8212; that is their most direct experience with the political process.  Second, voting, because it distills complicated issues into a single &#8220;yes or no&#8221; action, poses unique moral challenges not existent in other forms of political participation.  </p>
<p>Perhaps the bishops might have done better to say that all types of political participation may affect one&#8217;s salvation, rather than just putting in the voting discussion.   I don&#8217;t think, however, the absence of such a general statement gives undue emphasis on voting.</p>
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		<title>By: DarwinCatholic</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/16/voting-and-salvation-thanks-but-no-thanks/#comment-4899</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DarwinCatholic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zippy,

While it&#039;s undeniably true that in any given election, no one given voter will be &quot;the deciding vote&quot;, since the leader is picked through the election you cannot say that voting doesn&#039;t matter, since the sum of the votes does determine the outcome.

So while it&#039;s true that no one vote determines the election, every vote does contribute to the outcome.  One cannot say that the votes don&#039;t matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zippy,</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s undeniably true that in any given election, no one given voter will be &#8220;the deciding vote&#8221;, since the leader is picked through the election you cannot say that voting doesn&#8217;t matter, since the sum of the votes does determine the outcome.</p>
<p>So while it&#8217;s true that no one vote determines the election, every vote does contribute to the outcome.  One cannot say that the votes don&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy</title>
		<link>http://vox-nova.com/2007/11/16/voting-and-salvation-thanks-but-no-thanks/#comment-4896</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zippy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enjoy your illusions, Donald.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoy your illusions, Donald.</p>
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